[00:00:00] Zachary: You can have all the best tools and communication tools in your toolbox. You could even have a big intention to love and to speak from a place of kindness and compassion. But when your stress response system gets activated, your limbic system gets activated, when your childhood wounds get pressed, when you feel threatened, it shuts down, that part of the brain that can be mindful, compassionate, and empathetic. So if you're not able to regulate yourself, if you're not in touch with your inner space, then the best communication tools in the world are not going to help you.
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Welcome back to the Live The Width of Your Life podcast. My guest this week is Zach Beach, and he is committed to building a world based on unconditional love and connection. He does that as a relationship coach, a yoga and meditation teacher, poet, writer, and podcast host, and he's the founder of the Heart Center Love School.
He's a bestselling author of The Seven Lessons of Love and three poetry collections. He regularly leads transformational retreats, workshops, and yoga teacher trainings all over the world. And I just had such a delightful conversation with Zach. It was so interesting to talk to him about how he found his way to this mission and passion of love and why he believes that that is the greatest truth.
And we go deeper into his heart center school, the books that he writes, and also what his hope is for the world. We had such a great conversation and I hope you enjoy it as well. Take a
Zach, welcome. I'm so excited to have you here.
[00:03:07] Zachary: Hi Aneta, thanks so much for having me.
[00:03:10] Aneta: Yeah. I'm so excited to get into your story because obviously as we shared in your bio, you were doing so many amazing, interesting things and I can't wait to hear more about how you find yourself where you are today. So maybe start with a little bit about what are you passionate about. What are the things that get you up in the morning?
[00:03:29] Zachary: I love, love. In short, I'm passionate about love. I think my mission in the world is to bring more love into it. So my life is born from intention. The intention is to bring more love into the world. So when you say interesting things, it does remind me of a tree with many flowers. I do think I do many interesting things in this world, but the trunk of the tree is love and it has many branches that I like to explore.
[00:03:53] Aneta: I love that. So where did this passion and your mission that you feel so passionately about, where did it come from? Were you always passionate about love or how did you get to where you are today?
[00:04:05] Zachary: Yeah, that's an excellent question, because it didn't start on a search for love. It started as a search for truth. I wanted to get down to the real truth of why we are here as human beings, and what it means to live a good life. What is this reality that we are in? And I looked everywhere for this truth and what's pretty incredible is whether I was in a lecture hall at a university or a church or a temple or an ashram all the signposts were pointing to love. So maybe I was in a talk with a neuroscientist who said, you know what? Our brains grow through love. We need nurturing from birth until death. It's as crucial for our health and well-being as food and water. And then I go to a lecture by the local guru, and he says, our true nature is love. And you go to church and it says, we find God through love because God is love. So after hearing the message again and again, no matter where I went, I said, okay, I think this is the truth of why we are here on this planet. I do think life is a classroom and love is the lesson. And if you want to believe in karma reincarnation, don't worry, you have as many opportunities as you want to pass the test of love, and to learn the curriculum of love. If you don't learn it in this life, you'll learn it in the next, the next, and the next.
[00:05:50] Aneta: That's so beautiful. And it is true in all of those sacred teachings and scriptures. It's about love and finding our way back to it. Do you find that people struggle most with loving others or with a sort of self-love?
[00:06:05] Zachary: Yeah, there's a very interesting story from the Dalai Lama, where he was giving a talk, one of his very first talks in the United States, where a questioner was, how do you handle self-hatred? And the Dalai Lama was like, what? And he's like, yeah, how do you handle self-judgment, hatred, criticism, that sort of thing? And the Dalai Lama went back and forth with his translator. And he was like, that's so strange. I never heard of this concept. What do you mean by self-hatred? You have Buddha nature. You have a pure divine diamond inside of you that is untouched by wind, fire, and air. And it was a kind of a foreign concept.
And I do find that those of us born in kind of a secularistic, materialistic, capitalistic, individualistic world do struggle with self-love, with loving ourselves in the West. No one told us. I was recently getting into the work of Thomas Martin. And he says, it's impossible to tell people that they're walking around shining like the sun. And it's like, it is hard telling people that they are shining like the sun or Rumi said, what use is it giving sparkling jewelry to the sun? It's just like, we're all just beaming lights. But the Western mind does struggle with self-love, self-criticism, and self-hatred.
[00:07:27] Aneta: Yeah.
[00:07:28] Zachary: So, you might know the Metta Meditation. M E T T A is the Pali word for love and kindness. And it's interesting because traditionally the way Metta starts is you extend love to yourself, and then a dear friend, and then a friend, and then an acquaintance, and then an enemy. So you progressively get to harder people, and in theory, you're starting with yourself to kind of grease the wheels. But when we started to teach metta meditation to people in the West, people like, actually, I'm the hardest person. I should be at the end.
So now a lot of times when we teach metta meditation, we grease the wheels by thinking of like a pet or like a dog, somebody who's just really easy to extend your love to. And you're like, just think
[00:08:10] Aneta: And innocent.
[00:08:11] Zachary: Yeah, just think of your fluffball. Do you feel a sense of warmth and kindness towards this person? And people are like, yeah, I do. And don't you just love them no matter what? And they can puke in the carpet and you still love them. And you're like, yeah, I do. And then you're like, okay, what would it be like to extend that love to yourself? And people are Wow, never thought of it that way.
[00:08:33] Aneta: Yeah it's so true. I love doing the love and kindness meditation meditation. Metta meditation it's so beautiful because I do find that so many of us are closed off in our hearts. And we tend to put on our armor every day and protect ourselves. And it is hard sometimes to extend the love to someone who maybe has hurt us or someone we need to forgive.
And also ourselves. A lot of times people struggle with that. So I think someone might be onto that, but putting ourselves last, we have to warm work up to it. So how have you brought love in this concept of love into your career and your business? Tell us a little bit more about how that works.
[00:09:12] Zachary: Yeah, happy to. I do think of my work in the world as being for the levels of the body, the heart, and the mind. So on the level of the body, I teach yoga. I think yoga is a wonderful way to practice self-care. I know a lot of people add it to their long list of self-improvement projects. Kind of take the fish oil and meditate and kind of do my yoga.
But for me, it's not about self-improvement. It's about self-love, self-care, just being in your body for an hour, seeing how it moves, how it feels. And on the level of the heart, I like to write poetry, which I think of as the language of the heart.
And then the level of the mind, I also write but also do a lot of love coaching. So working with people and couples on whatever challenges it is that they're finding in their relationships. Along with that, there are also workshops and retreats and different things like that.
[00:10:08] Aneta: Yeah. So you're multi-passionate sounds like.
[00:10:12] Zachary: Yeah.
[00:10:13] Aneta: Yeah, me too. Have you always found yourself that way? Did you always enjoy dabbling in different things and kind of getting excited by different or new things, new projects?
[00:10:24] Zachary: I've always liked going deep into things. Even as a kid, when I picked a task or a skill, I was like, I'm going to master this skill. And As a kid, it was mastering kind of like silly skills. I remember I was really into cubing, AKA solving Rubik's cubes, which nowadays is like a big thing there are competitions and whatnot, but I was like, I'm going to nail this. But there wasn't as much depth, or you might say width to such a task.
So I was always looking for deeper or bigger, wider things to explore. And I did find nothing deeper or wider than the heart. It's so big, it can encompass the world and all sentient beings. So I was like, this is an ocean and I'm gonna keep diving. I'm gonna go down and down to discover the depths of this heart space.
[00:11:20] Aneta: That's so beautiful. And what are you finding in terms of some of the biggest challenges that can be solved by opening up the heart in terms of relationships when people come to you for some relationship coaching and what are you able to share that you find that people are struggling with and then how do you guide them to come back to these beautiful relationships or to heal or whatever it is that needs to happen.
[00:11:47] Zachary: Yeah, it's an excellent question. Everyone is different. Everyone has their unique problems. But I'll answer your question in two main ways. The first is that we all need love from birth until death. And what most people are just seeking is someone to listen to them, someone to validate their experience, someone to empathize with what they're going through.
And this is what therapists have found is that what matters more than the specific technique a therapist uses or the background or theory that they're using is simply the relationship that the client has with their therapist. That's what is most healing. If you want it a more concrete tool to think about, I feel what I've been finding lately is maybe about 20 years ago, everyone was talking about communication.
[00:12:45] Aneta: Yeah.
[00:12:45] Zachary: And communication tools are great if you can use them. And nowadays people are focusing a lot more on regulation. So you can have all the best tools and communication tools in your toolbox. You could even have a big intention to love and to speak from a place of kindness and compassion. But when your stress response system gets activated, your limbic system gets activated, when your childhood wounds get pressed, when you feel threatened, it shuts down, that part of the brain that can be mindful, compassionate, and empathetic. So if you're not able to regulate yourself, if you're not in touch with your inner space, then the best communication tools in the world are not going to help you.
A lot of people say reach out for love coaching or even reach out for therapy. It's not like that's their first attempt, even couples will usually wait four to five years after a problem has begun to start seeking outside help. So they've tried a lot of things. Yeah, people wait a while. They're not like, our relationship's doing okay. Do you want to see your relationship coach? It's usually like we've tried. So many things we've read in the books. We've tried the tools and it's not working.
And a huge reason for that is people try to solve their problems through the mind like let's reason this out. Let's figure this out. And sometimes obviously some problems can be figured out but you have to include the heart. You have to include the limbic system and the brainstem, you have to include regulating the body so that you can come from a place of empathy, compassion, and understanding.
[00:14:35] Aneta: . That's interesting that you brought that up because we are talking a lot about nervous system regulation if you're dysregulated, of course, you're going to have challenges at home and work. I mean, we're seeing that in the workspace, and we of course are going to see it at home because so often people, they use their filters up at work if they're having stressful days and then they come home and you've got nothing left.
So sometimes it's like, you could see how then the relationship suffers as a result of what's been happening all day long. And if you're not dealing with it from a heart-centered space that can continue for a while. So you established the heart-centered love school. So tell me a little bit more about the objectives of your school.
[00:15:18] Zachary: Yeah, it's interesting because when I started on this path of love, I didn't realize how challenging it was going to be. We don't live in a world that prioritizes love and social connection. We are currently in a loneliness epidemic. And you can't go to school and major in love and minor in compassion. And there's no, love incorporated that you can send your resume to.
So once I did embark upon this path, I was like, okay, I'm hacking through the jungle here. Hacking through the forest, going to figure out how to live fully from the heart space. And it's all a practice. I'm not saying I've mastered love or anything. It's all just been my path, step by step trying the best I can. So because love schools didn't exist, I decided I'd have to start my own. So I call that the heart center.
And you were asking me when I started my Learn to Love Podcast. And before the pandemic, I was part of the Heart Center programming. I was doing monthly workshops called Learn To Love. I would bring in a speaker to speak on a new topic. And it was forming a nice, lovely little community. And when the pandemic happened, a lot of things shifted online, so it turned into a podcast.
But then we do like to offer compassion cultivation training. So both. CCT, Compassion Cultivation Training. That's a course that was developed at Stanford. And then MSC, Mindful Self Compassion. That's more for yourself that was started by Dr. Kristin Neff and Dr. Christopher Germer. So just looking for the best programs and educational opportunities to grow and expand my heart and offer those to the public.
[00:16:56] Aneta: So if someone has felt closed off, maybe feels the tightness in the chest, maybe he's having some trouble with self-love or forgiveness of others, what are some of the practical tools or tips or things that you teach?
[00:17:13] Zachary: Yeah. The first one that comes to mind is RAIN. R AIN, because a lot of people, when they feel any sense of discomfort, it's normal and natural to want to get rid of it. And we do this all the time, we have these weapons of mass distraction, I call them, in our pockets all the time.
Like, you're waiting for the bus and you're like, what is this, a hint of boredom? Can't have that whip out the phone. And, as soon as you get a headache, take a pill, as soon as you get bored, turn on the television. As soon as you're hungry, or thirsty, go to the fridge and satiate yourself. But a really powerful transformation can happen when we're able to sit with discomfort for a little bit longer because that's where compassion arises from a recognition and a being with suffering.
So the first step to greater self-love is recognizing that you're having a hard time loving yourself And so it's not just like I got to fix this part of me that's unable to love. No, welcome this part of you that's unable to love.
Be like, oh, hi, wow, yeah, I am having a hard time. And that's where RAIN can come in. It's an acronym, RAIN The R is recognized. So it's a way of bringing a level of mindful presence to your experience. So recognize what's happening in this moment. And the A is allowed. Allow yourself. to feel it. It's probably, I say, not going to completely overwhelm your somatosensory experience if you allow yourself to feel whatever it is that you're feeling because they're just feelings. They're meant to be felt. That's why we call them feelings. You have to feel them.
And then the I is Investigate, which is not a sort of psychodynamic investigation of, am I feeling this way because my mother didn't love me? It's just investigating where it is in your body what it, what it feels like, that sort of thing. And then the interesting thing about how kind of self-love has changed over time is, maybe a few decades ago. The N in RAIN used to be non-identifying, so this can still be helpful, like, recognizing you are more than your thoughts, emotions, and sensations. But, again, recognizing the challenge that people do have around self-love, most people prefer the N to be nurture, like, nurture yourself.
[00:19:42] Aneta: That's a good one.
[00:19:44] Zachary: Because a lot of self-love and self-care does tend to be escapism when you're like, you open up some magazine and it's like, give yourself a bubble bath and light some candles. Relaxation can be a great way to practice self-care, but not if you're using it to escape what it is that you need to feel in the emotional work that you need to do.
So recognize that you're frustrated or angry with your work, and allow yourself to experience it. And when you do get to the nurture part, maybe it is the bubble bath. But usually, once we're more in touch with our emotional challenges, we're better able to access what we need to heal them in that moment.
There might be a first temptation to numb, whether it's the internet food, or alcohol, we numb ourselves in all sorts of ways. But when we're able to get in touch with that suffering I know you have spiritual listeners, so we know what suffering isn't like intense grief and loss. We suffer in all sorts of ways. Once you're able to get in touch with that suffering, then we're able to better access what we need at that moment to feel better.
[00:20:53] Aneta: I love that. I love the acronym, which is always really helpful too. And you talked about distractions in my mastermind we call them seductive distractions, because a lot of times it's a very seductive, these distractions, whether it's your phone or Netflix or even sometimes work, we can distract ourselves by keeping busy, and by things that we see as productive.
And we each have, I think the things that we naturally go to. But when I do facilitate sessions for companies I ask people, what do you do for self-care? What do you do? And people will say I watch Netflix and that's just, I mean, that is what some people are doing because for them, that distraction is being able to unplug and to find a way to relax, but it's probably not necessarily the best way.
They haven't necessarily found some other tools. So you also mentioned that you write poetry. And you've also written a book, The Seven Lessons of Love. So tell me a little bit more about your writing career. When did you start writing? Did you always consider yourself like a writer and kind of what is the next step? Are you going to continue to write more?
[00:22:07] Zachary: Yeah. That's an excellent question that something I've also thought about where did this writing come from? And it's true. I have a couple of manuscripts on my computer that I'm trying to get published right now. And there are two parts of my life path that your listeners might find interesting. One is I do remember as a very young child being told I was a good writer. I also remember being told that to live in this world you have to have a job that's going to earn you a living.
So I went to college and I got a very job degree that gave me a very job, I call it. So I was like an engineer for a few years before I was like, you know what there's more to life than this. And have been following my passions ever since. So I do think life is too short not to do what you love and I think there are a lot of ways to live and earn a living in this world and we're often told to put our dreams aside when we're here to fulfill those dreams.
Now the other interesting thing that happened to me on this path is I didn't feel a call to write until I became present in my body. And the connection that I drew from that is this present moment is an endless creative process. Just look at a tree, or look at a flower, look at a cloud, and you'll discover life is endlessly recreating itself, in every moment. The cloud that you see is never going to look like that again. And no other cloud has looked like that at that moment.
So a lot of times people feel like they're stuck in a rut, the same day after day. And I think of this quote from Chögyam Trungpa that there is never a dull moment when you are in touch with reality as it is because no day is going to happen again. Every day is new. Every day you have 24 brand new hours to live with intention and to see this world through the eyes of compassion.
So when I became present, when I got in touch with my body and heart, I did feel words just naturally emerge, like the creative process naturally emerged. And for me, I'm a terrible drawer, any imagery whether it's a sculpture or a painting, that is not my talent. So my talent has always been with words. I love words. I love reading. I love learning about the etymology of words. I love learning other languages. So that's always been my preferred medium. And I say that because there are so many ways to creatively express ourselves. We can dance, we can sing, we can paint, we can sculpt, we can make a beautiful garden.
There are so many opportunities to let life and life's creative process flow through us that if you're not creating something in your life. Well, it could be a souffle, like you're not creating, that just means life is not flowing through you because every planet, 4 billion years ago, this earth was a barren rock, and life has created millions of life forms. And it's also created you.
You are part of that life. If life is this tree, you are a flower. At the very edge of that tree, life is flowing through you. And just let the colors and the scents flow out of you and out of your heart. Because that's one unique way that we can explore what it means to be human.
[00:25:50] Aneta: So true. It's so beautiful. And so what is your mission with love for the world? Because we desperately need it. If we think that there are two emotions, love and fear, there is a lot of fear. There's a lot of other things that come from that. So what is your passion or your mission or your hope even for the world in terms of leveraging love to make some changes, to experience a new world, a different world,
[00:26:14] Zachary: Yeah. I'm going to answer the question a little tangentially because a lot of people nowadays are worried about increasing automation. When we have self-driving cars, all the bus drivers and truck drivers are going to lose their jobs. And now AI is taking over a lot of people's writing jobs. And I understand and empathize with the fear that you might lose your job. And that's going to create a lot of challenges in people's lives financially.
That being said, whenever I hear about a million bus drivers losing their jobs, I'm like, there is so much work to do. There is so much critically important work to do. The oceans need to be cleaned up. The rivers need to be cleaned up. We have cancer we need to solve. And we have a love that needs to be cultivated. We have so much work to do in rearranging our entire society to cultivate more connection and more embodiment.
We are at a lack of third spaces, places we can go to just connect with other people. We are in a loneliness epidemic, that's its public health crisis, in my opinion. So there's so much work and important work that needs to be done. There are even creative processes and art that need to be created, perhaps through you and anyone listening to this podcast. So there is such important work to be done.
And I do see my work as cultivating love in every heart and joy in everybody. That's my mission. It's on my website, that's my goal. Love in every heart and joy in everybody. And people are like, you mean everybody? I'm like, everybody, that's my goal.
So I'm working on it. So later I'll teach some yoga classes and I'll read some poetry and I'll whisper some sweet nothings in people's Shavasana. And that'll be 20 more bodies, hopefully feeling a little bit more love and a little bit more joy in their bodies. And, hop on podcasts like this because my task is to elevate the world and I'll continue to work on that until I die
[00:28:30] Aneta: I love that. So Zach, what do you do to resource yourself? Because it takes a lot also to show up and to hold space for so many others to pour love into them. What do you do, or what are your practices daily that kind of keep you resourced so that you're able to continue to do the work that you do?
[00:28:49] Zachary: I mean meditation and yoga are always going to be my practice. I don't think a day can go by without me finding myself on the cushion or the yoga mat. But it's an excellent question, also just thinking about self-care because my wife observed, she's like, you know what? You've gotten a lot more introverted over time.
And I was like, huh, have I? Because I do consider myself an extroverted person. And I was like, I know what's happened is I have increased a lot of my public offerings and a lot of my work in the world, when I'm giving energy to a room of 20 or 30 people teaching yoga, I am offering my entire self in that situation.
So I was like, I see what's happened. As I've done more classes, workshops, whatever it is that I'm doing in the world, I've had to spend a lot more time putting on my oxygen mask first, recharge my battery, whatever metaphor you want to use. So I do crave quiet nowadays.
I'm like, okay, today I have an afternoon, turn off the devices, brew some tea, have some nourishing food, and take a nice, long, warm shower. That sort of thing, because I have found there needs to be balance. It's true because I'm like offering so much to my students or classes or workshops, I end up kind of saying no to certain social obligations that then will also drain my battery a bit.
So it is about balancing whatever you can do for yourself. For me, it's feeling my feet on the bare earth reading a lovely book just being present not needing to fulfill every hour of my day with what society deems productive.
[00:30:36] Aneta: Yeah, that's a lifelong lesson for me. I feel like learning to set boundaries, saying no to things you don't want to do, and really, I know the things that recharge me and that feel good for me as well, every morning. It's meditation, yoga, breathwork, journaling, reading books, just spending time in nature, getting feet in the ground, cold plunging, all those things are just so good.
I encourage clients always like find the things that work for them. What I do and what you do, Zach doesn't have to be what works for others. Although I do think that meditation and yoga, are universal and breathwork.
But it's whatever works, whatever you look forward to is so important. If you find yourself in need of recharging and also learning to say, no, I think that for some reason, there's this guilt around saying no, that's how many of us have. And I start to celebrate every time I'm able to say no and not feel guilty about it.
[00:31:31] Zachary: Yes, that's so good. Yes, boundaries are a crucial step to more self-love. It means, yeah, I'm going to take care of myself. I'm going to say no. So it's an absolute skill. And a lot of people were raised to be people pleasers to always say yes. And so sometimes there's some unlearning and deconditioning to be done.
[00:31:51] Aneta: Deep learning in some of our cases. So tell me what else you're excited about. Are there any things that you're currently working on in your business that you want to share with the audience?
[00:32:02] Zachary: Yeah, depending on when this airs, I'm going to run a Kickstarter for my next book, which is a combination of poetry and prose. So it's half poetry and half prose, and spiritual lessons, and I'm calling it morning meditations right now. I'm also planning just some future retreats. So I'm going to go to this Zen center spend some time there and with the hopes of doing a future retreat there. So definitely planning some day-longs and some weekend retreats that I'm excited to do.
[00:32:31] Aneta: Oh, that's wonderful. Tell me some of the places you've held retreats so far, and if there are any wishlists for the future.
[00:32:38] Zachary: Well, it's interesting because, for much of my career, I've been working for an amazing yoga school, called School Yoga Institute. So they do yoga teacher training. So 200-hour and 300-hour training. And it's a lovely school. The curriculum is amazing. The community is amazing, but they also do teacher training all around the world.
So for them, I've done teacher training in Guatemala, Costa Rica, Peru, and Bali. Just some of my absolute favorite places, rich with culture. But I am taking a small break from that to focus much more closer to home. I'm feeling a little bit more settled in this area of my life.
So I'm based in San Francisco, California. And rather than three-week immersions somewhere in the world that often take at least a month of my own time, really been focusing on local offerings. So shorter offerings.
So yeah, it's just like, I want to find a day-long, farm-to-table retreat venue, just to take a day to detox from technology. The venue I'll be going to is called Green Gulch and people in the Bay Area probably know about it. It's a really popular Zen center. And I'm excited to go because they closed down during COVID and they've been very slow to open back up. But they're finally doing public offerings again.
And it's just nestled in the woods and the beautiful valley. And it's only like 45 minutes outside the city, so you feel like you're just fully immersed in nature. So definitely local classes, workshops, and offerings have been my focus lately, but I do seek clients online so I can, people can hop on a call wherever they might be.
[00:34:25] Aneta: That's wonderful. So if folks are interested in working with you and the various capacities that they can, or even purchase your books, what is the best way that folks can find you?
[00:34:34] Zachary: On my website. My name is Zach Beach, so zachbeach.com, but you can also find me on social media @zachbeachlove.
[00:34:42] Aneta: Awesome. We'll include all the links in the show notes. And the final question I have, Zach, is what does it mean to you to live the width of your life?
[00:34:52] Zachary: To live from the heart, as nothing is bigger or wider than the heart. Can I say a few lines from the Radiant Sutras?
[00:35:01] Aneta: Of course.
[00:35:02] Zachary: Okay, there's a line from the Radiant Sutras that I love. It goes like this. There is a space in the heart where everything meets. Go there if you want to find yourself, your mind, senses, soul, and eternity, are all there. Are you there? Enter the bowl of the vastness that is the heart. Once you know the way, the nature of attention will call you to return again and again. And, to be saturated with knowing. I belong here. I am at home here.
So That's the line. Mind, senses, soul, eternity. It's all there. If it's all there, your heart's got to be a big place. And if I can say one more thing, say home is where the heart is. And I'm like, where's your heart? It's inside of you. So where is home? It's inside of you. Make your heart your home. Make your body your home.
[00:36:05] Aneta: That's right. Keep returning there over and over again when we lose our way. Thank you so much, Zach. It was so delightful speaking with you and I love your mission. Thank you so much for doing all this amazing, great work in the world, and continued success to you.
[00:36:19] Zachary: Thank you, Aneta. It's been a pleasure.
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