How to Break Free from People-Pleasing and Burnout: Reclaiming Joy with Elizabeth Webb
[00:00:00] Elizabeth: If you've been a people pleaser for a long time, maybe as long as you remember, then you might not even realize the level of toxic toleration that's in your life. If you're feeling annoyed, frustrated, bitchy, eye rolling, sideways glances at other people because they're just people. I know that there's toxic toleration in your life because women who are living more on their terms have more bandwidth and spaciousness for grace in their systems. They have more grace towards themselves. They have more grace towards other people because they are living a more satisfied existence. That doesn't make them superior. That just means that they're ahead of the game with the choices that they've made, and you get to do that too.
[00:00:49] Aneta: We often hear people wishing us a long, happy, and healthy life, but what if the length isn't what matters most? What if instead, it's the breath depth and purpose of each day that matters most? Welcome to the Live the Width of Your Life podcast. My name is Aneta Ardelian Kuzma, and join me weekly as I interview guests who have made changes in their own lives to live more fully with intention, gratitude, and joy. Be prepared to be inspired by their stories of how they shifted their mindset, took courageous action, and designed the life that they always wanted to live.
Welcome back to Live the Width of Your Life Podcast. My guest this week is Elizabeth Webb. She's the practical priestess, an expert in positive psychology and human behavior. For over two decades, she's helped top leaders, celebrities, and change makers break free from life shackles, making power choices, and live a life that they're excited to wake up to.
Elizabeth brings her signature wisdom and wit to her debut book, Made for Magic, and I had the pleasure of reading the book before my conversation with Elizabeth. And I really enjoyed the way she combined practical tools with spiritual wisdom. With decades of experience in this self-help space and positive psychology, we had such a great conversation about what it really means to live a life with more joy aligned to values, where you just expect more magic, more synchronicities in life, instead of allowing ourselves to just continue to live on autopilot. I loved our conversation, and I think you will as well take a listen.
Elizabeth, thank you so much for joining me today. I am so excited to have you with me.
[00:02:31] Elizabeth: I'm so excited to be here.
[00:02:33] Aneta: You and I just had a moment just getting to know each other a little bit before we hit record. And I love something that you said, which was just permitting people to live a magical life, to know that they are fully empowered to create this life that they love. So tell me a little bit about where this mission came from, where this philosophy of life and living life magically came from for you.
[00:02:59] Elizabeth: Absolutely. I feel like it came from deeply living the opposite, and really saving myself and feeling like I had created a life at several different points in my life that felt like a jail cell that looked really pretty from the outside, and on the inside, it felt suppressive.
It felt small, and it felt truly like I was living for other people. And I noticed all of these effects showing up for me that looked like deep dissatisfaction, like everyone really approving of my life, people loving my life, people thinking I was inspiring because it looked good.
And also internally really feeling like I was wasting my life, and I was doing all of this, these points that I reached were also, while I was full-time in the self-development industry, I was a very early adopter in the self-development industry. I became a full-time coach before it was a thing. So I've been doing this for 21 years, and at that time, it was a controversial career.
People didn't think it was a real thing. They were like, Go be a psychologist. I was like My mom did that. Didn't look that fun. So I was empowering other people, and I was using some of the tools myself, truly not fully. I was giving more space to what other people thought and how I was being perceived than to my true satisfaction.
So learning the tools and creating this toolbox of things that can set us free has been a mission of mine, and so much so that I created a manual and put it in a book.
[00:04:55] Aneta: There's so much to unpack there. That really resonated with me too, because I also felt like I created a life for so long in corporate that I thought I wanted, and I was so busy working the plan and then finally got to a point where I started to say, wait a sec, I think there's some cracks here on this foundation.
I don't think this is what I want. So did you have. A big aha moment, or were there little signs and nudges that you ignored for a while before you decided to really make some changes?
[00:05:27] Elizabeth: There were little nudges along the way, and also there were huge aha moments as well, and there were truly both. So I'll give an example. One is just that while I lived in New York City, I remember this was in my early thirties, just feeling so deeply sensitive to criticism. And I remember at that time I was being offered by a pretty noteworthy book agent.
For him to be my agent, which was a big deal, and for us to create this book together. And I ghosted this guy, I straight up did not get back to him and completely self-sabotaged my first book opportunity because my system was like, I won't be able to handle what will come along with this, which will be judgment, which will be praise, and it will be judgment, and my system just felt too sensitive, too fragile to handle that amount of eyeballs, knowing that it wasn't all going to be positive.
So that was like a piece of shame that I really carried with me for a long time, that I ghosted this guy, that I felt like if there was too much criticism or if some of it was scathing, that I would crumble or I wouldn't be able to handle it. So that really let me know the level to which I was people pleasing. That my fragility around that was just really not in service to why I'm actually here on the planet.
[00:07:16] Aneta: Yeah.
[00:07:17] Elizabeth: That's one example.
[00:07:19] Aneta: How long ago was that?
[00:07:21] Elizabeth: That's 12 years ago.
[00:07:22] Aneta: Interesting. And did you know that you wanted to write a book then? Given the opportunity, there was this fear of success and the judgment, and maybe these other expectations that you've created in your mind, along with what goes along with writing a book
[00:07:35] Elizabeth: I did want to write a book. I liked the idea of writing a book, but I also felt in my own awareness about myself that I didn't feel fully proud of my life, that if I put out a book, that part of me would feel fake about it.
[00:07:57] Aneta: Got it. It's interesting, right? Because there's this fear of failure and there's this fear of success, and sometimes the line between the two is so blurred. So, 12 years ago, but now you have to write a book.
[00:08:12] Elizabeth: Very much yes.
[00:08:13] Aneta: I'm holding it right here, made for magic, and I'm so grateful that you actually sent me the book to read in advance, and I read the entire thing.
It is so good, and I love the way you weave the storytelling of your life, which I think is so important and relevant as we're reading and connecting, but you also have some really good exercises. And thought starters. You can go quickly through the book, or you could really go slowly, which is what I did, and spend some time coming back to the questions.
So tell me about your intention when you wrote the book, and what some of the feedback that you've received from readers?
[00:08:51] Elizabeth: Oh wow. Thank you. So my intention for writing this book was to bring a wake-up call with practical tools to the modern woman who is overcommitted, busy, and living a really big life of responsibility to really bring a loving, but also strong, wake-up call about who she's actually living for and how happy she is or isn't. Then, along with this loving and also perhaps brutal wake-up call, come solutions that someone can actually put into practice right away that are attainable.
They're not that hard. And something that pisses me off about the self-help industry is frequently people frequently present the problem, and then they present this like solution, but in order to have the solution, it's like a $30,000 mastermind, or it's enrolling them into this like luxury coaching program. Sure. Okay. Got it. But also, there's stuff we can do right now that's free
[00:10:07] Aneta: Yeah.
[00:10:08] Elizabeth: And it's just about owning, being at choice. So this book is really about your choices. Micro choices. Your micro choices make the fabric of your life. And like how do we baby step ourselves from perhaps a place of burnout or spiritual exhaustion or living for other people into still having responsibility, still being of the world and making an impact, but also really loving waking up.
[00:10:43] Aneta: Yeah.
[00:10:44] Elizabeth: How do we get there? So that's what the book is for. I know that it does that because I'm being told that it does that. And I was at a party the other day, I was talking to someone else, and this woman that I don't know very well. I've met her a few times around Austin, and she said, I don't want to interrupt. Excuse me. I just want to let you know that I read your book. Thank you. Thank you for writing that book. And I got four copies from my girlfriends because every woman that I love needs to read this book. And I was like, thank you, interrupt anytime. And then she walked away, and I was like, yes.
[00:11:20] Aneta: It's the greatest compliment as an author to have someone come up to you and say, I read your book. And it helped me, and not only did it help me, but now I'm going to buy this as gifts for other people that I care about and that I love, because I think that they can use it as well. And I think that goes back to if we talk about the women that you're looking to serve.
That is most women that I know who are most clients. That is who I was when I chose to leave corporate. And I don't want to be dramatic, but call it like an epidemic. But it is so prevalent, and it is so normalized to be all things to all people, to put ourselves last, to push our bodies beyond the point where they're telling us to stop to rest, that I think we reach the point where sometimes as women we then decide, do I just burn it all to the ground and start over again?
Or what do I need to do to actually pivot right now? Because maybe there was a health scare, or maybe relationships are failing, or maybe the job that they were working so hard for.
It is not as loyal and lays them off, and all of these examples. And so tell us a little bit about some of the tools. because I'm with you. I think that we can make those micro choices every single day. There are things that we can do 1% better. It doesn't have to be a huge change because that's overwhelming.
And when you're working with people that are already at a place where maybe they've expended all their energy, it's hard to say, Oh, and now you need to invest all this time and money into something new. So I love this approach of yours. So maybe if you could share a couple of things with the audience.
Maybe they identified that they're also in this category.
[00:13:09] Elizabeth: Sure. So I'm going to start so micro and basic. So I would say your notifications on your devices, most of them should be turned off, and they should be turned off most of the time. The non-essential ones, I understand that get to be different for different careers, or that get to be different when you're a mom.
However, the non-essential notifications, the popups, I want 95% of them gone. It disrupts your flow. It trains your brain to be distracted, and most of it can wait. So what I'm going to go for first is spaciousness and more ability to be present and in the present moment. So we're going to start with notifications, okay.
Then I would do a deep calendar audit of the first round, is what are you doing that doesn't serve you? Doesn't serve the world, isn't a part of your highest vision at all, but you're doing it because you feel like you have to because you've always been doing it or someone else expects you to do it.
This could look like being on a board. This could look like volunteering for something that you've done forever, but you don't really like it. This could look like something somebody else volunteered you for. This could look like somebody else's idea, and you're doing it to be a good friend, and you've already paid your dues in that area, and you could really have the conversation and say, I'm no longer going to be able to do that thing.
So, first round on the calendar is, I'm going to call this the low hanging fruit, but some of it might feel hard to get rid of because the part of you that wants to be liked is going to go, I can't, I can't get rid of that. Happy hour with my coworkers that I'd never fully enjoy, and I don't really like any of them.
And if I ever quit that company, I'd probably never see them again. We do it every Thursday. I say, be more ruthless with your time. Be more ruthless with your time. Cut it, and have the powerful conversation, the party that you don't want to go to. I didn't go, but they came to my party.
I don't care. Don't go. It's just being more ruthless on your own behalf, being stingy with your time in all the right ways. So I would start there. Spaciousness. Spaciousness in your mind. Spaciousness in your calendar.
[00:15:55] Aneta: The calendar's a really big one. I always like to talk to my clients about being very intentional and asking why for everything. Does this bring me energy? Is this energy-rich? Does it deplete me? Why am I doing it? Is it because I am just replying on autopilot, I'm just living my life the way I always have?
Or is there an opportunity to say, No, I intentionally want to do this. I want to see these people. I want to say yes to this, and sometimes, like you shared, volunteering, being on a board, doing something you always did for social. Feeling you have to reciprocate. Those are all things that we've been conditioned to believe that if you are a good person or if you're a good girl, you're going to do these things.
And so I think it's really important to get to the place where we could say, but why? And really examine those things and say, do these rules, do these conditions still apply to my life? And if they don't, how can I do it and set a boundary in a really polite, kind way if I need to, and choose myself instead.
And it's incredible how old we are and still sometimes have trouble doing that.
[00:17:12] Elizabeth: I believe sometimes, as we get older, depending on the lens through which we're looking at life, it can get harder because people are more crystallized into the version of us that they've known for a long time,
but we always do this. But you always say yes to that. Oh, we do that every year, even though you don't really like it.
So I'm not saying throw away all societal norms about like your time, but if you could slice all these things in half and just be like, okay, half of this is going. What's going on, half of this is going, that's going to free up a lot of time. What I would do with that time that you have so deliciously reclaimed, yes, reclaim it.
What I would do is I would schedule the things that are actually sacred to you. That supports your energy, your joy, your purpose, your replenishment, and the relationships that are truly sacred to you. I would get those things in the calendar and work everything else around them. And hold that Pilates class like you would hold a doctor's appointment, hold that dancing, like you would hold a meeting with your biggest client?
I'm not able to do three o'clock on Wednesdays. Not? Why? Don't tell people why I have a dance class, and I'm prioritizing my joy. No, do not explain yourself. No. Built into the dance class. Build in the travel time to get there and get back, and just, I have a hard stop at this time.
I'm not able to do that time and hold it sacred. These things that we hold sacred are what make our lives actually feel like ours. Not reverse engineer it the wrong way and go, okay, I have to do all of these things for other people. I need to fill all of these expectations. I have all of these work obligations, and then with my scraps, when I'm probably tired, I'll see if I can fit in these other things that really light me up. No, we're done with that.
[00:19:34] Aneta: I love that you used the word scraps, because I actually think of that too. I can't remember who said it. It was on the podcast years ago, and someone said, I give and give to all these other people, and then when I come home, I'm left with the scraps of energy, scraps of joy of anything.
And I wonder why I don't love my life. And it was just one of those moments where it's true. And so how do we come back to this place of intentionally prioritizing the things, as you said, that bring us joy? But one of the things, I don't know if I'm really curious about your perspective.
Sometimes my clients, when I ask them, What brings you joy? What actually do you delight in doing? What do you look forward to? What are those activities? They can't answer the question because it's almost a foreign concept. So, what has your experience been working, especially with women, around this idea of joy and intentionally putting joy on the calendar?
[00:20:28] Elizabeth: Yeah. What I think is very interesting about this question is, you're right, some people have thought of joy as this luxury that they will get to harness one day when they have the time, space, and energy to one day. That's going to be your gourmet moment, to have this joy. And if you're busy and if you're doing all these things, there's just simply not time for that.
So why would they even know how to answer that? Because they're not thinking about it, it's not a priority. So again, we're going to reverse engineer this priority. But I also really want to lean in to joy and fun, not being these like luxury moments that we get to have one day when we have time, joy, and fun, heal our bodies. Joy and fun can heal your body from disease. Joy and fun can save you from getting depressed.
Joy and fun make you a magnetic force of nature as you walk through the planet. Opportunities will be like, people are like, who are you? That feels good to be around you. It's not this luxury that can wait.
What's up with saying it can wait and treating it like it's this fluffy, bubblegum thing? Absolutely not. Joy is the nutrient that makes us feel like we have something to look forward to. So what I would say to a client or a friend who was like, I don't even know what I like anymore.
I'm exhausted, I'm overworked. I don't even know where to start. Dance class, that sounds hard. Comedy, who cares? I'm lucky if I find a movie that I like, I would say. Okay, so first of all. Mayday, we've got a flashing red light going on, stop, pause. We are on the wrong track.
Spaciousness is necessary. That is a deeply overcommitted, depleted woman who needs rest, hydration, and spaciousness. Then, to commit to joy and pleasure, and fun as a core value.
[00:23:06] Aneta: Yeah. I love it. And I think this comes back to your idea of magic, which is like adding magic to life. Even the title of the book, Made For Magic: A Practical Guide from Survival Mode to Soul Satisfying Joy. And if that is the goal, instead of achieving, accomplishing those things, will happen along the way, but shouldn't we enjoy ourselves while we're doing all those things?
Shouldn't we have the energy to be able to do those things and the simple things in life, and be able to appreciate both? And I do think that by focusing more on these micro choices, as you said, that are sometimes so practical, that will create the space and open up more spaciousness for us.
We'll be able to do that, but also we'll get the clarity that we need. Sometimes, it's really hard to come back to what my purpose is. Because it's such a loaded word. But I think that by creating the space and permitting ourselves to sit in the uncertainty, sometimes we start to get these nuggets of wisdom.
We start to get more synchronicities. We start to identify opportunities. So what is the correlation between creating the space, starting to experience the joy, making sure we're prioritizing it, and then some of the other magic that we'll start to experience in life?
[00:24:27] Elizabeth: I would say if someone's in an overcommitted, suffering, silent suffering moment, the word magic is going to feel inaccessible. It's going to feel like, okay, magic. How about a nap? I'm not going to feel accessible. So the spaciousness and the micro moments of joy, and really shifting our perspective into I'm going to enjoy this existence.
That's the middle point. That's like the middle ground. Also, you can experience moments of magic when you are suffering, and when you are overcommitted, you just have to notice it. You might be so buried in your phone that you don't notice that there's actually a double rainbow happening. There's magic and these windfalls of unexpected good that are happening around us all the time. But if we're so fried, then we're just looking for like, how do I get out of the weeds? We're going to miss that a song just came on that was like your song with you and your best friend in high school, and like she called you right after that song came on.
These synchronicities. You might just miss it. Yeah. So the magic is always available. It's just what tone level are we in to notice it or not notice it. And the more spaciousness we feel, the more joy we're incorporating into our existence. We're going to notice it more, and the more we notice it, the more we're going to see.
And we'll become a suction and a vacuum for more synchronicity. And then we'll be like, look at that. I was just thinking about a red coat, and I was looking at one online, and then somebody just gave it to me. Magic.
[00:26:21] Aneta: Yeah.
[00:26:22] Elizabeth: And when we allow ourselves these bursts of energy that we only really give like. Almost all children's permission to experience. When we harness that energy within ourselves, of being like, life is wondrous, I get to feel that way. Even though I'm a grown ass woman with a lot of responsibility, I get to have the wonder and these sparkles, and you allow that. You'll have more and more, and some people will think you're an idiot, and some people will think you don't get it, or that you're not a serious person. Let them.
[00:26:53] Aneta: Yeah.
[00:26:53] Elizabeth: Forget them. It's okay. Lose those people. You are fine.
[00:26:59] Aneta: Yeah, sometimes those relationships just naturally start to fade when you start to appreciate the other things. And I know you have one of your core messages is about escaping toxic toleration. Tell me a little bit about what that means to you, and why do so many high achievers sometimes fall into that trap?
[00:27:17] Elizabeth: Yeah, I think we all understand this concept, toxic toleration. The toxicity comes from doing things that you don't really want to do for a long period of time, but it's become so normalized that you have a scary frozen smile over like deep annoyance.
We've all seen that. Like, how are you? Fine. The kids are great. Like we're great. Everything's fine. And I'm like, ah, go scream in your pillow. Get this woman some water and some orgasms, and some time, and she needs help. So that scary, tight smile over the deep frustration, anger. These are the symptoms of toxic tolerance.
Other symptoms include bitchiness, edginess, and all are valid. Nothing wrong with the bitchiness or the edginess, I just know that you're exhausted. I've done it too. Did it yesterday. So the edgy could you hurry up? Or, like less bandwidth for other people's humanity. That means there's toxic toleration.
And the good news about this. Are the homework assignments? In many ways, it's the same. This is a cry for help around spaciousness. There's a need for delegation, there's a need for more that is yours in your life. So, toxic toleration, it's really just another word for deeply overcommitted and under-replenished, and boundary conversations really audit what you're up to, what your commitments are. It's going to take you far, but it will be uncomfortable. It'll be uncomfortable temporarily.
[00:29:15] Aneta: And do you feel like we've normalized this toxic toleration is just part of life?
[00:29:22] Elizabeth: Yeah, definitely.
[00:29:23] Aneta: Yeah.
[00:29:24] Elizabeth: And what's interesting is. If you've been a people pleaser for a long time, maybe as long as you remember, then you might not even realize the level of toxic toleration that's in your life. If you're feeling annoyed, frustrated, bitchy, eye rolling, sideways glances at other people because they're just people. I know that there's toxic toleration in your life because women who are living more on their terms have more bandwidth and spaciousness for grace in their systems. They have more grace towards themselves. They have more grace towards other people because they are living a more satisfied existence. That doesn't make them superior. That just means that they're ahead of the game with the choices that they've made, and you get to do that too.
[00:30:17] Aneta: Yeah. I love that. I'm really curious too, while maintaining all confidentiality, if you have maybe a story that you could share about a client who has made some quantum leaps using your techniques and tools that you've provided.
[00:30:32] Elizabeth: Oh yeah, so there's one client that I can think of, it's just she's a poster child for the most capable person in the room. Like most of the time, most rooms that she's in, she's probably the fastest, the smartest on top of it, 10 steps ahead, and how she's been rewarded for this has been more and more responsibility.
No one's going, you're doing such a good job. Go take a nap and hang out. Take a spa day. They're like, you're doing all that? How can we use this? Great, you should be on this board. Great, you should plan this evening for us. Let's get you involved in this charity.
So more and more requests for her time. So by the time she came to me, she was in tears. Didn't even know why, and she made this motion. She was like, I just feel like I'm drowning. I feel like I'm suffocating. I feel like I'm drowning. And I was like, got it. She's making this motion too much.
[00:31:37] Aneta: Towards her throat, so like maybe she felt like she was suffocating.
[00:31:41] Elizabeth: It felt like she was suffocating, couldn't breathe too much on her. I had her walk me through a day. Her day was so ridiculously in service to other people. She's the main provider of her household. She's waking up early to make her husband that smoothie with all his protein before he goes to the gym, while she goes to work.
Like it was just so in service. So we really had to get to the bottom of her belief system. And many high-achieving women have this, that they had to earn love, and the way for her to be irreplaceable to other people, including her husband, was to do the most.
And that if she wasn't doing the most, like why would anyone stick around? Would she be alone? Would people just stop being around her? So she had created all of these, like one-way giving things, where she's giving. In return, what she was hoping for is lifelong love and loyalty from the husband, from the job, from the friends, from the family.
[00:32:46] Aneta: Yeah.
[00:32:46] Elizabeth: So we rewrote each agreement one by one, and it was a lengthy, painful process, and people didn't like it.
[00:32:56] Aneta: I'm sure.
[00:32:58] Elizabeth: They didn't like it at all, but nobody left. She was able to actually rewrite the roles in her marriage. She was able to rewrite the roles with her colleagues. She was able to rewrite the roles with her friends. She lost some friends who were just feeding.
Great, lost them, has new ones, and her life is just as full. More full of love and loyalty, but her relationships are now a reciprocal flow. It was a very bumpy journey, but it required a deep look at the painful thing that she was unconsciously running, that like I am earning love through how useful I'm being.
[00:33:46] Aneta: And I think that's very common. It's very common for so many people, and there is such a fear because going back to we are rewarded for what we do. We are rewarded by being asked to do more, and it's not necessarily the reward we're looking for, but it's the one we'll take sometimes. So how long ago was that? What's the latest update?
[00:34:11] Elizabeth: Yes. We still talk, and I see her on a lot of vacations. I see her using her time differently. I also see her posts on social media are less about accomplishment and more about enjoyment. And, it was interesting in the relationship, like the sensuality came back. The sensuality and the intimacy had really gone by the wayside because while the hubby was loving her doing everything, it also wasn't turning him on. And it was enabling him to be like a small man.
And when he got to have the opportunity that was very uncomfortable for him to step up and play a bigger role, and she got to be more muse-like and more in her feminine, like the sex got hot, came back, got better, the results were real, and they still are.
[00:35:05] Aneta: That's great. It was more of a partnership. It wasn't someone who momming. Yeah, I was going to say that. And yeah, that's so interesting. And I know that you work with many clients and many different ways. Tell us, if someone wants to work with you, Elizabeth, what are the different ways that they could work with you?
[00:35:21] Elizabeth: Absolutely. So the best way to find me right now is positively Elizabeth. On Instagram, that's my website. And about the book, I'm giving the first chapter for free so you can see if it's your cup of tea, and you can get that at made for magic book.com. You can get the first chapter. The first chapter is amazing, even if you just read that and said, Okay, I'm good. Get it.
So the book is something that I would really serve to people as an entree of like my work right now, and more than I want a book sale. I really want people to read this and allow themselves to be changed by the book. And then I have other offerings, my Freedom Method course is so juicy and powerful, and it's really about activating the sole voice that we all have that we don't know how to turn up the volume on. I have that as well.
I'm not currently taking private clients. I'm usually booked out, and right now I'm booked out actually for 2026. But the ways that people can access my work are the book, the Freedom Method course I'm so in love with.
And then, on positivelyelizabeth.com, you can get my free soul meditation, which I do love and I use it myself. And then I'm also sending out love beams. So if you want to opt in for these free love beams, I send out the podcasts that I'm on, like this one. I'll send that out to everyone. I send out articles and just ways to be supported in your greatness and in your freedom as you walk this world.
Most of the things that I'm offering are pretty low ticket right now, so get in on it. High reward, low risk.
[00:37:13] Aneta: Yeah, it's so good. And the first chapter is all about hope, which I do love, and I think you go right in and start talking about the woman that you are working with. And I think a lot of people are going to read it and say, Wow, this sounds just like me. Definitely encourage people to get the book, but if they want, definitely read the first chapter and see all the goodness that's already in there.
Elizabeth, I ask everybody a final question, which is, what does it mean to you to live the width of your life?
[00:37:41] Elizabeth: For me, living the width of your life is taking risks in the right ways. And for the women who are like, I don't even know what brings me joy. That question is annoying. I'm not sure. It's like. Try stuff. Embrace an adventurous spirit that tries things before you know you're going to like it. Go to a flamenco dancing class.
Go get on a stand-up open mic. Go somewhere to a new restaurant that you would never go to, that's like a hole in the wall. Go for a walk in a new area. Talk to that person that you think might like super, not be your person or your cup of tea, let life surprise you, and stop thinking that you have it all figured out.
Stop thinking you have it all figured out because you don't, and I don't. And you don't. We get to experiment and research life and allow life to surprise us. So I would say that lens will serve you. It will wake something up in you. Your curiosity, your childlike nature. These are not luxuries. These are the ways that we get to feel excited about waking up.
[00:39:03] Aneta: I love that answer. Thank you so much, Elizabeth, for coming on today. Thank you for the great work that you are doing in the world. I know that you've been doing this, you said, for a couple of decades, and you continue to just shine your light and also just provide, I think, a lot of resources for people who are on any budget.
Anytime, resource constraints, all of those things, which I think are beautiful, and it's not always available. So thank you so much for joining me today, and we'll be sure to include all those links in the show notes.
[00:39:33] Elizabeth: Fabulous.
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