[00:00:00] Suzanne: I always wanted to write I always loved to write, but finding that way to bring it in, in a monetary value is something that took quite a bit longer. And it sort of seemed more important later in life rather than at first life was about. Yeah, you went to work and you earned the money as much money as you could so that you could go on the holidays you wanted to go on, and that's what everyone around you did.
No one talked about what their dreams were. What their hopes were. What they wanted to do. You just went to work You didn't think about it and yet you got the work done and you brought home the paycheck. But as I got older, it became more important to find joy in work, to feel fulfilled.
[00:00:42] Aneta: We often hear people wishing us a long, happy, and healthy life, but what if the length isn't what matters most? What if instead, it's the breath depth and purpose of each day that matters most? Welcome to the Live the Width of Your Life podcast. My name is Aneta Ardelian Kuzma and join me weekly as I interview guests who made changes in their own lives to live more fully with intention. Gratitude and joy. Be prepared to be inspired by their stories of how they shifted their mindset, took courageous action, and designed the life that they always wanted to live.
Welcome back to the Live The Width Of Your Life podcast. Thank you so much for joining me again this week. It means so much to me that you are listening to this podcast. And this week, my guest is Suzanne Frear. She's a creative copywriter and she works with passionate small businesses.
About two years ago, Suzanne quit drinking and while she says, it's not a rehab story, it's more of a freedom tale before she quit drinking, she said that her life was a little bit lazy. The alcohol made her play small. And now she can do amazing things in her life. She quit a year ago, her highly paid corporate finance job. She set up her own business the way she'd always dreamed of doing.
And she says she's never looked back. And now she's discovering all the ways to live a far bigger life. She does the thing that she loves, spends time with people, and constantly learning and growing in confidence. She is published in magazines. She gets to speak on podcasts and Instagram lives and just loves what she is doing.
We talked a lot about her sober curious journey and the changes that she saw in herself mentally, physically, emotionally, and really how you have to relearn what's most important in life. We also talked about the things that she has done and learned about herself as she started her new business.
It was such a wonderful, vulnerable conversation. And she was really honest and open about everything that she's learned over the last couple of years. I enjoyed our conversation and I think you will as well. Take a listen.
Welcome to the Live the Width of Your Life podcast. I'm so excited for our conversation today.
[00:02:54] Suzanne: Thank you so much for having me. I'm excited to be here.
[00:02:58] Aneta: Yes. And you and I were just talking before we hit record and you were recommended to me by someone else that I had on my podcast.
And I love it. Getting referrals because you're in the UK, I'm here in Cleveland, Ohio. And it's so nice to be able to connect to people from all over the world through connections and your stories, I was reading the bio. I was so excited. I told you, I was like, this is going to be such a great conversation because you have such an inspired life and story.
And for those who aren't as familiar with you, I would love for you in your own words. Maybe just share a little bit about your background, whatever you feel is appropriate.
[00:03:37] Suzanne: Okay. So, hi, yeah, I'm Suzanne Frear. I grew up in the north of England and I was educated in the north of England.
I studied media and creative studies. So I've always had a flair for storytelling. And I think this sort of has come through my life. My life went in a lot of different ways. I moved to Germany in 2003, and I lived there for almost 11 years. But during that time, I also lived in Southern California as well in Orange County.
And so, I've done some traveling around and I've seen some things. I've gathered some fantastic experiences. And feel blessed to have been able to do that. Then when I became pregnant with my first child, we decided to move back to the UK. We thought closer to family.
And so we're in the middle of the UK, we're in the Midlands. I'm close to Stratford upon Avon, which I'm not sure whether you'll have heard of, but it's where Shakespeare is from apparently.
Rumour has it that the church I can see from the end of my garden is where he got married to Anne Hathaway. So that's my exciting claim to fame. It's very romantic. It's a lovely thing. So I love that. So yeah, we moved back to the UK. I was commuting back to Germany and still working there right up until one year ago when I decided it was time to quit my job.
And give it a go, I had a side hassle. I was doing copywriting on the side a little bit and I decided to follow my dream. I've always enjoyed writing. I enjoy telling stories. I enjoy getting to know people and I wanted to see if I could make this into something lucrative for myself to give myself some money without having to travel over to Germany twice a month. So that's me.
[00:05:19] Aneta: So interesting. And I love it when people talk about being storytellers. So did you always have a gift for that, even when you were younger and did you have words for what it was?
[00:05:29] Suzanne: Yeah, I always loved writing stories. My dad was a teacher all his life. And one thing, one of my favorite pastimes is I would go to him and he would give me a title for a story.
And I would go away and I would just write from the title. And I remember strongly one being, he just said the door. And I wrote this long story about this girl, she went through the door. She had an adventure, and she met people and I wouldn't stop writing and I loved it.
And now I've been writing stories for my kids about their favorite toys in their bedroom and stuff like that. I love it. I still write long letters to friends, rather than emails and things. I'll write a handwritten letter and often these things go off on a tangent and are full of whimsy rather than news of what's going on. So I just love telling stories. I love writing them. I love reading them as well. I'm an avid reader, so I'll absorb anything like that.
[00:06:22] Aneta: Did you save any of your stories from when you were young?
[00:06:25] Suzanne: I believe my mom has some, somewhere in the loft sort of squirreled away. So, yeah, probably.
[00:06:33] Aneta: That would be so fascinating to read them now and think about whether you would publish them.
[00:06:38] Suzanne: Wow. That's not something I've considered at all. This is just been put away in the memory box, I guess, but maybe, I doubt it somehow. I don't think there'll be that refined.
[00:06:48] Aneta: Well, it would be interesting to read it as an adult and talk and see if you can remember like what you were thinking at the time or at least to share with your kids. Because I'm always curious. I don't have anything saved from when I was younger, but I'm always curious to see how our voice evolves and how much of it is still us, so that would be interesting to look at.
So tell us like when you went into corporate, what did you do for a career? Did it have anything to do with storytelling?
[00:07:16] Suzanne: Nothing at all. I worked in European finance and policymaking which was interesting, but no, nothing to do with writing as I do it now. I mean, I did write briefs. I helped to edit briefs. And so the grammatical side of stuff. And also to make sure that things were comprehensive and comprehensible. So writing reports and presentations, making sure that those stories got across. But they weren't stories as we think of them.
They were financial stories to get a point across or to fight an argument. But it was a great job and I met some fantastic people. I've still got so many friends over in Germany. And they have moved on back to their own countries and things like that. I've got so many international friends and I feel really lucky to have had the chance to do that.
It's not something that everyone gets the chance to do. I had a great job. So, yeah, and I say to my kids as well travel is something you should do. You should get out, meet people, see different things. Don't stay home. Get out. And my son, he's so sweet. He's like, I'll never leave you, Mommy, but, you have to go. He's only eight, so he's got some time.
[00:08:22] Aneta: Yeah, little boys are sweet that way, aren't they? So I'm curious, did you ever consider a career when you were younger and something to do with writing or how did you make that decision to go into finance?
[00:08:36] Suzanne: So throughout high school and college, you're trying to define what it is you want to do, I never knew. One thing I used to say to myself was that I didn't want to work for anybody else.
I wanted to have my own business. I wanted to work for myself. and be my boss. And I used to say I never wanted to be a secretary and I never wanted to work nine to five. I had all these things. I think it's because my mum had worked as a secretary and I sort of got the impression that maybe she wasn't fulfilled, maybe she wasn't really happy.
She probably wanted to stay home with us rather than having to go to work. And that's what I was picking up on. But the first few jobs I had were very secretarial and nine to five. And then as things moved I used the skills I had my people skills and quick learning skills.
I pick up tech very quickly. I was fortunate. I sort of fell into this world of finance. It wasn't something I looked for or trained for, it just kind of happened that things sort of came together. I'd met my now husband. He was already living in Germany. So getting a job there was a big thing and I was grateful to be able to do that.
But no, it wasn't something I was looking to do, going to finance. But during my entire time working, I was always doing things like writing courses. I did a couple of creative writing courses, I'd love to write a book. I'd love to be a published author in that way.
I was to do that and I did some writing for different magazines and on a smaller scale. I did some retraining in social media and that was sort of looking at the content sides and the storytelling when it comes to marketing. And so it was a case of when I became pregnant with my son, so around nine years ago, and I went on maternity leave, I had this period because the German law is fantastic on the amount of leave you're allowed to take.
And so I did a little bit of retraining during that time. I started to build up a network of people who would need help with writing content, which meant I could scratch my itch, my love for writing. But also do something that would make, money that would bring in a little bit of money by selling my services to someone else who needed it.
So it was a case of I always wanted to write I always loved to write, but finding that way to bring it in, in a monetary value is something that took quite a bit longer. And it sort of seemed more important later in life rather than at first life was about. Yeah, you went to work and you earned the money as much money as you could so that you could go on the holidays you wanted to go on, and that's what everyone around you did.
No one talked about what their dreams were. What their hopes were. What they wanted to do. You just went to work You didn't think about it and yet you got the work done and you brought home the paycheck. But as I got older, it became more important to find joy in work, to feel fulfilled.
So when things sort of came together a year ago, it just seemed the right time to step away from 95 and take a punt on me, take a risk, and believe in myself for a change.
[00:11:32] Aneta: Yes. I love that. And the timing is so important. So tell me a little bit more about what you do today. Cause I know that you do copywriting, but you work with small businesses. So who do you work with and how do you help them?
[00:11:45] Suzanne: So I work predominantly with small businesses, but not exclusively. I have got some larger clients that are sort of slightly more towards the corporate side, but you get more of a storytelling vibe from the smaller businesses. Because what I want to help my clients do is make a connection with their prospective customers and turn them into paying customers.
And I believe the key to doing that is building a relationship with them rather than coming in with a sale and looking at this, it's shiny and new. It's finding out what they want and how they feel and speaking to them in their language so that your words resonate with them and you can build a relationship where they know you, they like you, they trust you, and then they will buy from you.
And that's what I want to do with the clients I work with. I mean, I've worked with so many people just recently, consultants, and coaches, bakers, photographers, all sorts of people. It's so interesting. They've all got a fantastically interesting story of what brought them to where they are now.
And that's why I love it because I get to learn so much about people and what makes them tick. And then what brings them joy and why they want to help someone else. And it's bringing that to life through words, which is where I find yeah, my joy. That's what I love to do.
[00:13:01] Aneta: That's so amazing. And how long have you been doing this on your own now? You left your corporate job.
[00:13:06] Suzanne: So I started up probably a year ago in November of last year. So a little bit over a year. 14, 15 months just coming up towards. So yeah, and I'm enjoying it. It's been a hell of a ride so far.
I'm not sure about yourself. I know you said that you left corporate to pursue your dreams and things. When you start up a business, you do that to do what you love doing. Not so much to run a business and it's that side of things. It's learning how to run a business, which has been a real eye-opener. I've been quite lucky. I came across someone right at the start of my journey. And I know it's someone that you've interviewed as well. Teresa Heath Waring coached me over the past 15 months. She's been with me right from the start. And I know I would not be where I am today without the guidance she's given me without the confidence I've built through her membership.
And also the other people I've met, I've made some fantastic friends through that membership. And I've learned so much from them. I think that a huge part of running your own business is building a community, finding your people, and knowing who you can go to. He'll cheer you on. You've got your back and who wants to see you rise rather than who wants to knock you down or compete against you? So yeah, I've been lucky in that respect. Absolutely.
[00:14:22] Aneta: Yeah. I love that. Teresa was fantastic. I love talking to her. She's got such great energy and it's so important to build the community. I always say that I'm a mastermind and I love the women that I get to share what I'm doing with, and they share with me and we need the support because entrepreneurship can be very isolating and you could be sitting at your desk in your head, and some ways it's very liberating and freeing.
And then other ways also you need some other people even just to talk and to share and to see what's going on.
[00:14:54] Suzanne: We are naturally social creatures. We feed in some way from other people's energy. We're all different in how the energy affects us and what we do with it.
It is a myriad of different ways, but in some way or another, we do need social interaction and something when you become an entrepreneur and when you start working from home, if you start small, you're like, I am right now I'm in my house. I mean, I'm in the middle of nowhere, it's not like I can walk down the street to a coffee shop even.
So speaking to people online regularly or getting out and going to networking events, it's so important to feed that side of what you need. The social interaction side, I think.
[00:15:31] Aneta: And, so how long have you been running your copywriting business on the side? How long did you do that before you decided that it was time to go all in?
[00:15:40] Suzanne: So I've been doing it sort of since my son was about one and a half, so I've been doing it about three or four years maybe five years. I had a couple of ongoing clients. I was doing some newsletter writing and blogs now and then.
And it was nice, just kept me ticking over and sort of feeding that creative side. But a few different things happened over the last couple of years that sort of changed my perspective on how my life was going. As I said the need to sort of fulfill my worth and what I wanted to do became more important.
And a big part of that came because I decided to give up drinking about two and a half years ago now. And I would not identify as an alcoholic and that's not what I'm trying to talk about it's more that I had a very unhealthy relationship with alcohol. It was far too big a part of my life personally and it was sort of limiting what I was doing it was everything I did was around drinking, I was looking forward to those times I could go out drinking.
But alcohol was how I had fun. Alcohol was where I got my dopamine from. And I realized at some point, yeah, two and a half years ago, three years ago, I mean, it had been on my mind for a while, but it suddenly came to the point where I knew something had to change. I talked about doing dry January or Stocktober and all these different things and trying to quit for a while.
As for me, I decided just to stop and tell myself that was it. Otherwise, I was giving myself an out so I wanted to see what I could do by just putting my foot down and saying that I'm not doing this anymore. And I downloaded an app straight away that counted the days because I need to gamify things, I have to make something I can tip off at the end of the day.
And I've not looked back. I mean, it hasn't been an easy ride. There have been things to overcome. But as I say, I didn't and I do not identify as an alcoholic. So there wasn't so much any sort of withdrawals in the medical sense, in that physical sense, but definitely in the mental sense.
I've had to relearn. who I am in a lot of ways, especially who I am now without alcohol. What brings me joy? Where do I get that dopamine hit from if I'm not drinking a gin and tonic? So this alongside, so I was doing a lot of work around this. I have a fantastic therapist who's helped me so much.
And more and more, I realized where I found joy was just in the smaller things. I didn't want a big promotion. I didn't want to move up to the next level at work and it wasn't as much taking on responsibility. I knew I was good at my job, but I wouldn't have felt a feeling of attainment if I'd done that.
There wasn't this need, there wasn't a drive for it. What I wanted to do was be creative. I knew that I was happiest, either when I was writing, or when I was knitting, or when I'm doing some sewing, or I'm not very good at drawing, I won't tell you I do that, but, or gardening. The creative, creation of something lights me up, and that's where I get my dopamine from now.
That's what I've learned over the past few years. So when things changed at work as I said, I was commuting twice a month. Things changed, obviously following Brexit, so I was working for a European institution where members of the institution needed to be members of the European Union.
Britain is no longer a member of the European Union. Now, all contracts are honored. It's not that they said, okay, but all British people need to go. Sure. The rules changed slightly and it just wasn't as easy as before, especially not living in Frankfurt Germany, what they needed from me just didn't sit well with me anymore.
It didn't fit with what I wanted from a job. And so I took the time I spoke to my husband and we sort of re-evaluated where we were financially, which a very big part. But also what I needed and how I wanted my life to look that would bring me fulfillment and happiness. And that was being at home more, being available more, but also honoring that creative side of myself and giving that time to grow and see what I could do.
And so why not? I've always talked about starting a business. Why not? She has, they have, he has over there. Why shouldn't I, why shouldn't I give it a go? And I'd say I was looking around online for different sorts of groups for people to support me or get advice from. And that's when I came across Teresa Heath Waring and her group.
And, yeah, everything just sort of clicked into place. So before I'd even handed in my notice, I'd had this conversation with my husband. I'd found Teresa online. I think one of my ongoing clients had asked me to do a little bit more. So I was like, well, this is good. So my money outside of my nine-to-five job is going up and things just seemed to start to align.
And it made sense for me to give it a go. I've told myself I'd give myself three years to see how it goes. And see if I can make a success out of this. And so far, so good. I'm super happy.
[00:20:45] Aneta: That's wonderful. A lot of things had to happen. It sounds like, and then the timing was perfectly aligned. So what are some of the things that you learned about yourself during this first year and a half of going all in on the business? Like what was the easiest part? Maybe the hardest part?
[00:21:01] Suzanne: Do you know what, probably the easiest part was quitting my job. Because clearly, I did not love my job. And so that was interesting how exciting that felt, how much funny it felt.
So like, I'm quitting my job. I'm doing it. That was part, probably the easiest part, and everything else was the hardest part. One of the biggest hurdles was believing in myself truly believe in myself and not just saying the words.
So we all get imposter syndrome. I think it's just built in. I think it's natural, but it's how you deal with it. It's sort of looking back on yourself and saying, no, you can do this. You've done this before, or you can teach yourself how to do this rather than giving in to those little gremlins. it's building that self-belief. And one thing that I remember strongly is when I often used to say to myself that I didn't have much willpower.
And that yeah, I'd never stick at anything. And this was a real core belief of mine for some reason, obviously from a young age. And all of a sudden I remember being on a dog walk. Something I love doing is walking my dog. And I had to voice note a friend because I said, it's just hit me.
I am really strong. I do have a hell of a lot of willpower and I am amazing. I quit drinking. I quit my job. I've started a business and I'm making a success of it. Look at me, why do I put myself down so much? Why do I use this negative talk with myself consistently saying, this won't last? You can't do this. There's someone better.
When look at where I am and how far I've come. So reaching that point was so hard. And believe me, it's not like it's a one-and-done and then you're all right because your mindset's sorted. It's a constant process, but it's now that I'm enjoying a lot more. And I'm treading a new pathway, if you like a new neural pathway, rather than falling back on that old one.
I've got a new one in there and I'm making that the habit and I'm making self-belief and talking much kinder to myself and giving myself the pat on the back when I deserve it, when I need it, that I'm there for myself. I don't look outside. I know that I can do it for myself. So that's been one of the hardest things, but also one of the most amazing things to realize was that self-belief.
[00:23:17] Aneta: Absolutely. And doing it sober. I mean, I think that that's the part too, that many of us use alcohol as a way to go from a hundred miles an hour to 30. It's like, okay, five o'clock you can have that glass of wine, and finally get to relax. So when you replace a habit like that, you have to typically replace it with something else. And so what are the things that you have replaced the alcohol with?
[00:23:43] Suzanne: Okay, so what I've had to do, and this is again been an ongoing process, is deferred that sort of six o'clock drink, as in, six o'clock, like drinking is such a movable habit, it goes with you everywhere, it's flexible, you can do it anywhere, anytime, within reason.
And yes, I had this thing around six o'clock when I started cooking, I'd pour myself a glass of wine or something similar. So I've had to defer that. And I've returned to swimming, which is something I always loved when I was younger. And I've rediscovered my absolute joy with swimming.
It's like a mindful practice for me. It's almost like meditation, the concentrating on the breathing, but the weightlessness in the water, sort of, everything is slightly not numbed out, sort of quiet air, you're in your bubble, and that is my new go-to hit.
So it's like, I'll make sure I have that scheduled in at least three or four times a week. And it rebalances me, is what it does. It brings me back to myself. It refocuses me. And just over the past couple of years, I've tried and loved, and I try and do it as much as possible, outdoor swimming.
I've not done the night that cold water swimming. I haven't been quite brave enough for that. I'm working up to it, but we're just getting there. I mean, it's pretty cold. Don't get me wrong, but I'm not doing face baths and things. But swimming in nature is just mind-blowing, you are just being there, being part of it.
So tranquil, there's the dragonflies, you know there's fish in that pond with you and it's just the privilege of being that fills me with wonder. And once the weather warms up a little bit, it's one thing I'd really try and get regularly into my diary.
And that's one of the things that has replaced the alcohol for me. Another one would be especially in social gatherings. Because my husband still drinks, not very much, but he does. And all the people we hang around with socially, are still drinkers.
And obviously, I'll still hang around with them. I'm not going to remove myself from their sphere of orbit. These are people I love. What I do is I make sure I have a really fun card game with me. One thing, I have it over there, do you have Uno? Do you know Uno? Of course, yes. Good.
I thought I'd explain, like, I can't explain it. But Uno is what I will take to any social occasion, and I will get everyone involved. And I get so much of a dopamine hit from Uno, that it's almost as loud and as fun as Snap. It gets really quick and going, and I love it. And I would never have played a card game before, because I'd have been too busy with a drink in my hand and talking. Absolute trash to somebody who made no sense whatsoever. And so, yeah, card games.
[00:26:25] Aneta: Amazing. What are some of the physical changes? Maybe mental changes you've noticed in yourself? Because I think a lot of people are sober and curious. And so I want people who may be thinking about doing this beyond just a dry January, and just to share, what are some of the things that you can expect to feel or notice when you start.
[00:26:45] Suzanne: There's so many. So one of the biggest things, reasons I decided to go sober was part of, because of my anxiety and my mental health. And all I can say is that my life is now so much simpler.
I don't have this other track in my head of when am I going to drink, what am I going to drink, how much have I drunk, have I drunk too much, why have they not had a drink yet, should I order another? Constantly going around and around in my head. And then I don't have the anxiety in the morning when I wake up with a hangover, what did I say, did I make a fool out of myself?
This simplifying of my brain space has been so refreshing. And then you add to it that I'm sleeping so much better. Literally from days three, and four, sleeping so much better. I've got a newfound confidence in myself because I know who I am. I'm not trying to be someone else or finding that the alcohol is making me act in a way. But the next day I was not happy with it.
So all of this comes together and there are so many small things you could talk about. You can go into the physical things. My skin looks better, and sometimes I lose weight, so people are doing it for health reasons. Absolutely. But I found it so much more.
And the mental side, I'm just happier. I'm so much happier. People, like I say, so many of my friends still drink And they're like from the beginning of some said I would never stick to it. Some said, why are you doing it? What do you do now? How is it fun? And I just think it's just learning to find fun in other things that have made me such a bigger, rounder person. I'm a fuller person. I'm living a fuller life.
A friend once said to me that alcohol will keep your world small. Because you don't need to try to change, to move. Without alcohol, my world has grown exponentially. And my life has grown. It's really hard to explain, but I feel like I'm living a far bigger better life without alcohol.
[00:28:51] Aneta: Yeah. And they call it spirits for a reason. There is an impact when you are consuming. And I know I've been doing dry January or mostly dry January. I think there were two days where I had like one drink and even that one drink now when you actually remove it from your daily life or even several times a week.
I didn't feel great the next morning. It was such a noticeable change where I was like, why did I do that? It disrupted sleep. Because I do track my sleep and so yeah, you do feel so much better. And I think everything that you're describing with your business that you started and also choosing to not drink alcohol anymore, it seems like you have a lot more freedom in your life right now.
[00:29:33] Suzanne: I do. That's exactly how it feels. This freedom, this confidence, this optimism, there's a motivation, all of it that just really wasn't there before. I think alcohol sort of made me a little bit lazy in my life. I didn't strive for the best I could be, the best my life could be, or what I wanted.
I never really thought about what I wanted. It just made me lazy, and without it, it's like the blinkers have come off. And I feel like I can do anything that I want to do. I feel limitless. Limitless is my word at the moment. I could do anything. I feel like the possibilities are endless.
And, yeah, it's because alcohol is gone. And it's because I took the time to take my life into my own hands. But it's me that I get to thank for it, which is so mind-blowing, so empowering. It's not like, some so many people help me and I wouldn't be in the place I am with other people's help, but at the end of the day, it's all me. And I'm so proud of myself that I got here, that I'm strong, that I'm badass. That I did, and I love it.
[00:30:38] Aneta: It's amazing. Definitely. I give you a lot of kudos for doing that and for sharing. I appreciate your sharing. So one of the questions that I ask everyone is what does it mean to live the width of your life?
[00:30:51] Suzanne: I would say, I know I've talked about how I've changed myself. But one thing I've learned is to stop trying to fix yourself. You are an awesome person. Just get to know yourself. That's what I've done. I've like, I've found out so much about myself. So I'm living the full width of me, the full width of my life.
I'm taking everything I can. I'm grabbing opportunities with both hands but in the same breath. If that doesn't serve me, if it's not what I want, then I'm putting the boundaries in place, to keep myself joyful, to keep myself happy. If there's someone who steals my energy rather than helps me fund my energy, I'm not gonna put in the time to spend around that person.
And it's that growth, it's that filling out of learning about myself, what I love, what I don't love. That has helped me, yeah, to live a far wider, far fuller life.
[00:31:50] Aneta: That's beautiful. Suzanne, how can people work with you? How can they find you? I would love one. If they're interested.
[00:31:57] Suzanne: Yeah, I'd love it if you came and found me. I hang out a lot on Instagram. You can find me at Suzanne Frear underscore. Otherwise, I have my website where I have several different freebies and resources for you to download if you're interested if you need some help with copywriting. So please come and find me at www. suzannefreer.co.uk.
[00:32:21] Aneta: Beautiful. We'll include all those links in the show notes. And I just want to thank you for your time today and for sharing your story. I think that you are someone who is living the width of their life and I love how intentional you've been with the things that you are doing.
So is there anything that you want to leave the audience with? Maybe any final words of inspiration?
[00:32:45] Suzanne: So, okay. So I was thinking this week, my thing this week which we talked about a little bit is to simplify, choose the things that bring you joy, and let go of the things that don't and simplify your life. Just distill it down to where you can find your joy. And that is the one piece of advice I could give to anybody.
[00:33:04] Aneta: Perfect. Thank you so much, Suzanne. It was such a pleasure speaking with you.
[00:33:09] Suzanne: Thank you.
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