How to Build a Healthy Money Mindset
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Aneta Ardelian Kuzma (00:05): Jason, welcome to the Live the Width of Your Life podcast.
Jason Lyle (00:09): Thank you. Thank you for having me.
Aneta Ardelian Kuzma (00:11): I'm so excited to have you here because you've got an interesting journey that I'm really curious to learn you at one time worked as a pastor and you have now shifted a little bit to guiding men through really beautiful transformative experiences of nervous system regulation. And just share a little bit more about maybe the journey that you've been on from the early pastor days into what you're doing today.
Jason Lyle (00:37): Sure. So yeah, I was a pastor for 13 years and the church that I planted, they called it the cowboy church. It wasn't really a cowboy church, but that's what they called it. Cause we met in the barn that I owned. we ran the horses out on Tuesday night and ran the people in and then ran the people out and ran the horses in. But I started the church very specifically for men. Because I just saw a vacuum in that space. I mean,
to go and sit inside of a building where they sang songs and listened to some dude tell them about all the things they were doing wrong. Sound more like hell to most men that I knew than heaven. So we created the church and it was a two guys standing on the stage with an acoustic guitar singing country music. And sometimes some of the old hymns that everybody knew. And then I would always just preach a sermon of common sense. I never really got high and mighty.
I went to seminary, probably overeducated in a lot of ways, but, I still would boil things down to where the common person could understand them. I grew up blue collar. Everybody in my family were plumbers, but alongside of that also had a sex addiction. So sex addiction and being a pastor doesn't really mix all that well. I would never have affairs with people in the church. just like with every addict, that was my negotiation, but,
Aneta Ardelian Kuzma (01:55): There's a rule.
Jason Lyle (01:58): there was always something going on outside. Not always, but a lot of the times, and that resulted in me losing that job in 2017 or it was a church I started, but it ended up with the church dissolving. And, I went and started working in the wilderness therapy program as a co-guide.
And that is where I actually met the man who taught me originally about nervous system regulation, but through that entire process, I actually was very suicidal and on a random Wednesday afternoon was laying on my left side and I had a full plan for my suicide. And what scared me most about that plan was it was very well thought out and it was very rational. I knew exactly what I was going to do.
I wasn't emotional. I knew that I was like this dog that kept biting people. And I had had at that point in time for affairs that my wife knew about and many more that she didn't know about. And my kids had found out and it was just all pressing down and, I was adopted at birth. I probably should have mentioned that. Over the years had kind of struggled with that because I would think, well, this doesn't really matter. I mean,
I didn't even know it. I mean, I knew it growing up and I was a baby when I was adopted, but it turns out there's a thing called preverbal trauma and trauma that stores in the body. And that's what I started learning about from Rob Jent. And I had kind of learned a little bit of that over the years, reading books like the primal wound and the body keeps score and things of that nature.
But Rob, who's the man that I met in wilderness therapy actually started teaching me how nervous system regulation worked. And so as I was planning my suicide, I reached out to Rob and he mailed me back and set up a zoom call. And he turned me on to books like dopamine nation and Peter Levine's work and widening the window and Basil van der Kolk's work and Stephen Porges and the polyvagal theory. So I started studying how, when we have trauma that our alarm system in our body will call that the amygdala, is always on and very rarely do we get it to go off.
And when that is on that we don't have access to rational thought, we don't have access to the prefrontal cortex. And so when people would say, I don't know why I keep doing these things. I don't want to do them. And I said that a million times that explained to me why it's like because my body was alarmed and my brain was not thinking as it should.
So yeah, he taught me about nervous system regulation. And so that night, I started cold water plunges. I started doing a tumor breath work, yoga, meditation started the next morning and that was October 19th, 2020. And, we're coming up on six years and it's absolutely changed my life. And so I started using it to help other men.
And turns out it works for everything from methamphetamine to heroin to grief to depression, anxiety. And that's how Sacred Grit came about. And so that's what I do now. I coach men on how to take control of their inner world.
Aneta Ardelian Kuzma (05:04): That's amazing. I would say every experience we have, good and bad, becomes an opportunity for us to become a guide and to share and teach someone else. Once we go through it,
Jason Lyle (05:12): Sure. Yeah.
Aneta Ardelian Kuzma (05:14): we learn the lessons. How long do you feel like it took you? I mean, we never stop healing, but from the time where you were having those suicidal thoughts to when you felt like you were able to start helping facilitate the experiences for others, what was that time frame?
Jason Lyle (05:29): Well, I mean, I kind of stumbled across it, because I was a pastor. I mean, I don't know that once you become a spiritual leader, I feel like that might be something that's assigned from another world. Like, I don't know that you just choose that. So I always carried this idea inside of me that my life was meant to be a classroom and a laboratory. So like I would experiment with things on myself and then what I found there, I just used my life to teach. So I don't know that was like this moment, but I do know that I hit the cold water that night and started to understand the neuroscience behind it and the response. The results were unbelievably instantaneous. So much so that people around me were going, I don't know what you've got going on, but it is completely different, which prompted people to ask me what was going on.
And so I started just teaching it right away. I mean, I think that was October and by December I'm teaching it to people. And by March of next year, I've got taking people on backpacking trips and working with addicts that are in accountability courts and jail and everything else and starting to see amazing results. I mean, guys that had been, shooting heroin to go to bed and shooting methamphetamine to get up. We're finding for the first time in their life, linking together sobriety.
And so it was really kind of a progressive thing and, where it is now, I have a 12 week program. I have a nervous system regulation basics course that people can access. It's 14 modules, but the 12 week course now is for men they go through, there's forms they fill out morning and evening. We build their practice. They check in once a week.
I can't think of a single one of them that's in the program right now that wouldn't say it's changed their life. It's just pretty amazing. And it works well for women too, but for men specifically, we kind of need something to do with our trauma. We need something to do with our pain, like to sit around and talk about it for a dude is almost torturous sometimes. Like we can pinpoint the problem and go, okay, I was adopted. I have attachments, problems.
What do I do? That's what a guy wants to know. And for a therapist to go, well, just come back next week and we'll talk about it some more. It makes a dude want to just stab his eyeballs out with ice pick. But when you say, Hey, get in the cold water, do some breath work, take control of your life. That speaks to a man's heart. And so he finds solace in that.
Aneta Ardelian Kuzma (07:52): What were the outward changes that people were able to observe in you that you said as you were noticing that you were making the changes internally?
Jason Lyle (08:02): It was a piece. I always ran on RPMs that were a little bit higher than everybody else. And I do anyhow. I mean, I talk a lot. People think I'm extrovert and I am to an extent, although I recharged by being alone. But I mean, you imagine that times 10, I was constantly worried about why somebody didn't text me back or if this person's mad at me and how this is going to work out and where can I go next and what adventure can I go on next? And all the volume on that just slowly started to turn down a quit having. I never really had a violent temper, but I could go into a tizzy pretty quick. that went away. you know, just the capacity to be able to go, that's no big deal. Like, why am getting upset over that changed?
I mean, almost literally overnight, it was kind of amazing the way that it happened. And that's what everybody started to notice. My ex-wife, we were still married at the time. She would say it all the time. She would say, I can't believe the way you act. It's just completely different. My kindness came more naturally. So that was probably the biggest ones that I thought of just this ability to regulate my inner world.
Aneta Ardelian Kuzma (09:13): Yeah, isn't that the best testimony when other people notice it in you? It's not just what you say, but it's when they can feel it, they can see it, and they think, I need some of that. I need more of what you need. And it's interesting for some people listening who maybe have strong faith. And, so, you obviously, I'm assuming, had faith if you chose to go down the pastor route. And yet we know sometimes that's not enough or even people who spend time in therapy, sometimes that's not enough. So what is the role of faith in your programs at all and even what is its role today in your own life?
Jason Lyle (09:49): Yeah. So I read the Bible all the way through the first time when I was nine years old, I've always been a very spiritually curious person. Always, deeply on the empath. And I've always been drawn to all things spiritual, but religion is man's attempt to control that power.
And I think I recognized that early on. Maybe that might be why the cowboy church thing, like we got to release this power. Can't just keep our hands wrapped around it. But I had a theoretical knowledge of God. We call that theology. Theos Logos, the study of God.
But I would always say things like, if you can understand God by reading 66 books and listening to a preacher on Sunday morning, that kind of makes you God. That doesn't make God God. So through the practices and through what I've found now, faith to me is 100 % making the next right decision that is loving back towards yourself, others and God, and have faith that that will work out.
Not that I can somehow believe the right things and say the right words and pray the right prayer or say the right spell and that God will all of a sudden do my bidding, but that there's this greater energy out there that has put part of itself inside of me and I get to access that part of itself inside of me. And when I do, that will help me make decisions that are loving back toward myself, others, the world.
And by doing that, I love that thing that many people call God, but not by praying or going to a building on Sunday morning for somebody to tell me what to do next, but by living my life as the Bible would say. And we think it's sacrifice. Paul says, live our life is living or our life should be a living sacrifice. It doesn't mean like a death. It means like mindfulness. Like I'm dying to what I think is real so I can see the world as it really is and live in this present moment fully.
Aneta Ardelian Kuzma (11:52): Yeah, and what you described is when Jesus was asked the greatest commandment, love God, love your neighbor. I mean, if we do all
Jason Lyle (11:58): Yep. And yourself.
Aneta Ardelian Kuzma (12:00): few and as yourself, and if you do those two things, all the other ones are covered, right?
Jason Lyle (12:06): Well, and in the Hebrew understanding of triad teaching, triad sayings in the Bible, and if you track them, you can find a bunch of them. But when Jesus says that, they say, what's the greatest commandment is love God, love your neighbor, love yourself. If you turn that around, you love yourself, love your neighbor, you love God. It's the reason why Jesus tacked the other two on the end. He was saying you love God with all your heart, soul, mind and strength.
And by the way, the way you do that is by loving your neighbor. No, by the way, the way you do that is by loving yourself. Because when we start with loving ourselves, if that's where we begin, we don't need anybody else to bring anything else to us. We've already found everything we need inside of us. Therefore, when we come into the world, everything that we bring into the world and comes back to us is pure joy. It's not a necessity.
It's just pure blissful joy when it comes back to us. was holding my new grandson last night. I don't need anything from him. It's just pure joy. My partner, she's one the most beautiful humans on the face of the planet. I don't need anything from her. It's just pure joy to be in her presence. And that doesn't mean life is always easy. It doesn't mean that we don't fall back into those old patterns 100%, but that's grace, forgiveness, and all those things coming to place. Go, I'm doing that again. And then we just move forward and keep going. But, yeah, that's a beautiful thing.
Aneta Ardelian Kuzma (13:28): I love it. So for the men that are joining your program, how do they find you? Because you mentioned people who have all kinds of struggles in life and who have identified that maybe there's a need for change. So how do they usually find you?
Jason Lyle (13:42): There's several avenues. I mean, really the biggest one's word of mouth. Somebody will tell a buddy, know, hey, you need to get a hold of this guy. And my specialty will say is probably pornography. I have a lot of luck with guys struggling with pornography, but other than that, it's like anger, depression, anxiety. Those are, have a lot of success with those drugs are tricky because there's the chemical dependence, but I will say that every person I've worked with that were on drugs have not relapsed as long as they stayed on the path doing the practices. I've not had a single relapse.
Now when they drop off, they do, but if they'll stay on that path, they won't, which that's probably true of everything. But most of them word them out. And then the podcast is pretty big. So I'm going to find me through the website, which is the sacredgrit.com. I'm sure you'll put all that up. But the other thing is too, I do men's retreats and so they'll find the men's retreat and they'll come on that retreat. And some of them come not really knowing what to expect and they get there and they're like, my God, this is unbelievable. And so they become a client through that. So it's just kind of grows from that organically.
Aneta Ardelian Kuzma (14:44): Yeah. I do retreats with my clients as well. And I think you have a great video on your website that talks about why retreats are so special and why you can see such transformation in short period of time. Share with us a little bit about the types of retreats that you do, how long are they, how big are the groups, and what are some of the things that people experience during their time there?
Jason Lyle (15:08): Perfect. So there's two levels right now of retreats and there's about to be a third. So I'll talk about those first two and then we'll talk about the one that there'll be third. The first level is just mindful masculinity. It's a three day retreat in the North Georgia mountains, two nights. They come in on Friday afternoon and have a quick check in Friday night. I teach basic nervous system regulation Saturday and all the way in through to Sunday morning. We focus on three things. We focus on honesty. Where are you?
Really not where you think you are, not where you wish you were, but where are you really body, mind, soul. Curiosity. What can you do about that right now? And self-love. We love yourself enough to do it. Both mornings we get up, we have a nice yoga practice and really kind of just a very easy flow. We don't do anything hard in the mornings.
We do breath work. We do meditation. We get in a cold plunge. There's a waterfall there at the retreat center with a pool at the bottom. We get in and plunge there. We have three sessions throughout that day. One in the morning, one in the evening, and one in the afternoon. The one of the afternoon is a big yoga session. We have a good time. I call it man yoga. We grunt, growl, and holler, and scream, and have a great time. But the morning's honesty, the evening's curiosity. And then the next morning we come in and we talk about self-love.
They come in, they learn nervous system regulation. They learn journaling principles of how to do guided journaling. But the most important part is they leave there with a clear idea of where they are, what they need to do next, and the love for themselves to execute it. So that's the men's retreat. There's about 10 people at those, about where I cap those off. I like them small and intimate. They're in a house at a retreat center. The guys live together kind of in and out all day, every day.
So it creates this camaraderie. The second level is a self love retreat. Now I put that in place more for guys to have to bring their wives or their partners. But anybody can come, women can come in, they can come. We had two single women there last year that were going through a divorce. I do that retreat with my partner and it's really kind of the same format, but it's in dormitory style living with a yoga studio and it's the same retreat center.
The dormitories are right there at the practice space, but it's kind of the same thing, same principles, honesty, curiosity, self love, but a little bit more geared toward, a little bit smoother transitions. I probably don't curse as much of those cause the ladies are there, but my partner, she does this whole, she propagates plants and then she creates this beautiful circle in the middle of the circle and everybody takes their own plant home to kind of signify what you begin with here, let that move forward into your life and continue to grow in your home. And then next year I'll do my first, I'm calling it dad camp and it'll be all about being a father. Because even though I was not that great of a husband, I was a stellar father. And I don't mind saying that at all.
Aneta Ardelian Kuzma (18:03): Yeah.
Jason Lyle (18:04): I had two amazing children and it just breaks my heart when I look out at the world and I see the lack of engaged fathers. Fathers that are intimate with their children. And I don't mean that in the way that some people, intimacy does not mean having sex. Intimacy means into me, you see that's what it means. And fathers need to be more intimate with their children, open and transparent and let their children see the mistakes and hear their hurts and their pains, but also know that that from their kids. So that'll be coming next year. I'm looking forward to that one. So that's kind of like the three tiers of retreats. And I do hike and trips. those are free.
For an organization, run a nonprofit called Air Georgia or adventures in recovery is really what it's called, but we shorten that up to Air Georgia. And it's for any man can join Air Georgia and it's just a brotherhood of men and we were fly fishing on Saturday, but everybody who comes does some version of nervous system regulation. So, we have a circle app.
Everybody gets on the discussion board. They're sharing these different ideas about what cold plunge you use and which chiller to get and the audio of the breath work shared over here and the video shared over there. So we call it man church. It's a beautiful version. So there's a whole lot going on in any man who wants to get plugged in. want to make sure they can get plugged in at whatever level that they can afford because not everybody can afford to do a 12 week program, but there's still things available for men to get to.
Aneta Ardelian Kuzma (19:26): Yeah, it's so interesting. I find with retreats that people sign up for various reasons and maybe there's an expectation of what will happen and inevitably there's always interesting things that come up and reactions and responses. So how do you prepare to hold the space for that many people? Because it's really hard to do.
Jason Lyle (19:52): Well, I mean, I've been doing it for so long. I don't really know that I do. I mean, I just kind of gear. mean, this stuff, as I said a minute ago, my body is a laboratory. And so I don't teach anything that I've not done myself that I don't do myself. I was in a cold plunge at five 30 AM this morning. I do it every single morning straight out of the bed.
So when you kind of live what you teach, you're kind of moving through the world ready to go. So to be honest, when they come walking through the door, I'm just myself. I don't know what else to be. And that kind of starts to drop the guard a little bit. And then all weekend, we're just adjusting to the energy of the group. And then I just take Monday off and sleep all day. You understand that.
Aneta Ardelian Kuzma (20:36) I do. Afterwards, you're like all the adrenaline is gone from the body and you're like, just need to rest. I know that the outdoors is a large part of your programs as well. Love being out in nature. Why do you find that that's so important?
Jason Lyle (20:50): Lack of control, most of us live in a space, don't know where all your listeners are, but where we can control the temperature of the room with a thermostat. We can control water flow. We control the temperature of the water. We can cook food on a stove or in a microwave. We can walk to a pantry. We can go to a toilet.
We're all these things we can do and we just consider those as necessities. We would call those necessities when they're not necessities, they're luxuries. So when you go out backpacking, you're digging a hole to use the restroom, you're collecting water, you have to purify, you're eating your food out of a freeze dry bag, you're sleeping in a tent, you're at the mercy of the weather. If it's raining, it's just raining. If it's cold, it's just cold. If it's hot, it's just hot.
And so it teaches us that we are a very tiny, small part of a much larger story. Most of us spend our lives controlling the complete narrative. So we feel like the main character in this grand movie, but you don't spend the night in a tent at 12,000 feet in the Rocky Mountains in a thunderstorm that's blasting so hard. You don't know if you're going to live through it and still feel big. You feel pretty tiny. So the outdoors to me reminds us that we're a very tiny part of a much larger story and that our part matters.
Aneta Ardelian Kuzma (22:06): Yeah, absolutely. How do you help facilitate the open discussion sometimes? Maybe it's just for me, I think that maybe women sometimes are more comfortable in those circles talking about what's happening. And how do you find the men do in these retreats in terms of opening up?
Jason Lyle (22:24): Once they open, they open getting them to open is difficult. So it's like usually a very hard question. And sometimes I'll just call one of them out directly. And a lot of awkward silence and a lot of awkward silence. I mean, and I'll tell them I'm a patient man. I can sit here all day and usually, I'll lecture or talk for maybe five or 10 minutes about, let's just say honesty and the importance and your viewpoint.
And, a viewpoint is a view from a point in the point in which you stand determines the view that you have. And so we'll kind of unpack that idea of how the way you're seeing the world is determined by where you think you're standing. So where you're standing is important to know whether not that's true. Right. And so I might talk about that for five minutes and I'll say, all right, what do you guys think about that? And then just stop talking and eventually somebody will open the door. And then once they do, we just have these wonderful group discussions and
I'll tell you, I've probably done 15 or 20 men's retreats, maybe more than that by now. And I've never had one of those discussions go wrong. I've never had to redirect. I've never had to, you know, calm somebody down. They got angry ever. They've all just been very beautiful. Every one of them. So yeah, that's kind of how I do it. Just a lot of awkward silence and make them sit there until somebody says something.
Aneta Ardelian Kuzma (23:39): Well, and also with breathwork, because I facilitate breathwork as well, you cannot control the emotions, the responses, what comes up many times if you allow yourself to be in the breathwork experience and the journey. So I imagine that sometimes when people crack open in that way during a journey, it's much easier afterwards to maybe share because, the body releases sometimes faster than we're willing to necessarily talk about.
Jason Lyle (24:07): Yeah. Our best discussions are usually Saturday night. After the breath work has happened that day, everybody's kind of got more comfortable. the breath work is huge. The guys enjoy the cold plunge cause there's like some bravado in there, and it's amazing tool, but that breath work, I mean, we use tummo breath work made popular by Wim Hoff, but everybody acts like it's 2000, 3000 years old.
It's been around for a minute, but there's a level that they can reach after about seven or eight rounds that lets you know really quick that there is the ability to control your inner world. You just have to be willing to do that. And so that ability gets overwhelming, cause it opens up a space where you start going, wait a minute. I can be responsible for my life. And so yeah, definitely cracks open. Cause the guys are going, my God. I mean, I never knew I could hold my breath for three and a half minutes. Like, yeah, you can, you just have to work at it. So yeah, the breath work is definitely a huge part of what I do.
Aneta Ardelian Kuzma (25:05): Mm-hmm. And I'm curious, I see that your logo is the eight limb pose in yoga. Tell me a
Jason Lyle (25:09): Yeah.
Aneta Ardelian Kuzma (25:10): little bit more why you selected that.
Jason Lyle (25:13): Well, and I can't pronounce the guy's name, but if you know the legend behind the eight angle pose, it was a young man he was born deformed and he went before, the powers that be at the time and they all laughed at him, but his wisdom, kind of, overthrew their pulp. And so the eight angle pose is that his body was disfigured in eight different angles, the eight limbs were disfigured. And so, to me, the eight angle pose signifies that out of this brokenness comes this beautiful wisdom. So if you're just willing to let your brokenness speak, it will bring about wisdom. And sometimes the most powerful wisdom you can have is through your own brokenness.
Aneta Ardelian Kuzma (25:54): Yeah, that's beautiful. Tell me about the other ways the individuals can work with you.
Jason Lyle (26:00): Yeah. So there's several ways they can come in through adventures and recovery, 100 % free. Then go to recoveryadventures.org, join the circle app, bam, they're in. They can jump on zoom calls twice a month. we do events once a month. We do hiking trips a couple of times a year, all of it free, even the hiking trips, we have all the gear. They can just come be a part. That's the way to get in. And everybody in that community is doing this type of work.
The second level is they can go to my website at the sacredgrit.com and find the podcast there. post information every Sunday, every Wednesday. They're all monologue. I cover everything from drug addiction to anger, to depression, to grief. That's free. Beyond there, they can take the nervous system regulation basics course, which is on Skool.
If you don't mind putting the link in the show notes, we can do that. It's $149. It's 14 modules. It teaches them everything they need to know. And from there, I have a 12 week course that they can take. And right now that course is $2,000. It's 12 weeks. They get one check in every week, unlimited text and email conversations. They can text and email all they want to. We have a form they fill out every morning and every evening that tracks their data.
We build their practice together. And so what we start to see is progress happen right before our very eyes. And I send them an email every Monday morning with all that data synthesized from the week before we make tiny adjustments to it. And they start living the life that they're meant to live. And beyond that, I still have guys that'll book one-off calls just to check in here and there to make sure they're on track. But for the most part, they get through that 12 weeks. They got everything they need to keep them going.
Aneta Ardelian Kuzma (27:43): That's beautiful. We definitely will include all of those in the show notes. And question for you on your retreats. Just curious if anyone's listening. Any ages?
Jason Lyle (27:56): Yeah. Yeah. Any ages. I don't take any under 18 unless they come with a parent. So I've had some under 18 year olds come with their dads and that's fine with me. But yeah, my main clients are rocking 35 to 55. They seem to be the ones that are kind of at that spot, but also, I have two different parents right now reached out to me. One about coaching a 17 year old, one a 15 year old. So yeah, any age I will work with for sure.
Aneta Ardelian Kuzma (28:24): Yeah, it's interesting. What do you think needs to change in order for these young men to maybe not grow up, as you said, broken and dealing with the same things that some of the other generations are dealing with today?
Jason Lyle (28:38): Yeah, we got to get technology under control. And I know I sound like an old man because I am, but we've got to get technology under control for our young people. They have way too much access to way too much information. It's not that they don't need technology. They do. It's a part of the world, but the access that they have to technology and information is overwhelming and their nervous systems are cranked up to 10 all the time and they have no idea.
And we have parents who say, well he's so anxious when he gets out into the world. Well, that's because he lives inside of a video game or device all day long. So to come out of that world and into this one, at least in that world, he feels like he has control. He can swipe his thumb. He can use his joysticks, whatever he needs to do to control that world. This world out here, there is no control. So I think that there's two things we have to get a handle on the technology and we have got to have engaged fathers.
If we don't get some engaged fathers that are willing to teach their children how to be spiritual beings, then we're not going to get anywhere. And it's not that women can't do that. They certainly can. Women are nurturers though. Men are supposed to be assertive. We're supposed to bring our masculine creative energy into the space and give it out. That's how men make life. We put out into the world. But so many men are terrified of engaging their children.
But we've got to learn how to engage them and give them the tools that they need to grow up and be functional adults and have had safe boundaries, but also know that they have the ability to live their life and they have a daddy that's standing behind them say, go get them. I'm right here. If you fall, I'll pick you right back up and keep you going. That's the man's job, not the mom's job. And so hopefully we can make a dent in some of that at Sacred Grids. That's what I'm trying so hard to do.
Aneta Ardelian Kuzma (30:22): Absolutely. Well, thank you for the beautiful work you do in the world, Jason.
Jason Lyle (30:28): Thank you for having me.
Aneta Ardelian Kuzma (30:29)": Of course. And I do ask everyone a final question, which is, what does it mean to you to live the width of your life?
Jason Lyle (30:37): I think to live the width of your life means that you're living your life in such a manner that you have the capacity to hold whatever comes at you while keeping control of your inner world. To me, that means that I have a life that I have learned how to when things come at me, because that's what life is going to do. Life is going to bring us things. It's going to bring death and grief and sickness and hurt and pain, but joy and happiness and new grand babies and divorce and that all that shit, I'm sorry, I'm not sure said shit, but did you have to cut that one out?
Aneta Ardelian Kuzma (31:08): You're fine.
Jason Lyle (31:10): But all that shit comes at us. And if we're not living the width of our life, we don't have the ability to hold that. But if we're living in our fullest potential, that stuff can still come as, but we can still control our inner world and go, I'm okay. I'll be okay. That's to live the width of your life to me.
Aneta Ardelian Kuzma (31:27): I love it. Thank you so much. I'm super grateful that we had an opportunity to connect and I just wish you such continued success. You are doing amazing work.
Jason Lyle (31:36): Thank you. Thank you so much.