Episode 47 transcript: Exploring the power of language, food, and movement with Veronique Ory

Podcast Introduction:

[00:00:00] Veronique: There's a lot of stories, a lot of connection of where my family came from and my dad and I would often secretly rate the stories behind our hands and the longer the stories would be, we would sort of take down the points and my grandfather would jokingly say, well, it's a true story. It has to have a high mark because it's true and it's And that feels like a really phenomenal seed of where I came from, of telling true stories and connection and feeling this really deeply seated connection of being together.

[00:00:44] Aneta: We often hear people wishing us a long, happy, and healthy life, but what if the length isn't what matters most? What if instead, it's the breath, depth, and purpose of each day that matters most? Welcome to the Live the Width of Your Life podcast. My name is Aneta Ardelian Kuzma and join me weekly. As I interview guests who made changes in their own lives to live more fully with intention, gratitude, and joy. Be prepared to be inspired by their stories of how they shifted their mindset, took courageous action, and designed the life that they always wanted to live.

[00:01:18] Aneta: Welcome back to live the width of your life. This week's guest is Veronique Ory. Veronique is a yoga instructor who uses storytelling and creative movement. Her passion is to guide you to feel vibrant, both in the yoga practice, as well as in all that you do. Originally from Montreal, Quebec, and currently living in Vero Beach, Florida.

[00:01:39] Aneta: She studied theater at Russell Sage College and discovered yoga as a way to calm her mind and feel good. With over 500 hours of training as a registered yoga teacher with a yoga alliance. She was inspired off the mat to create unique and creative yoga classes. Her classes are tailored based on the setting of students and inspirational themes.

[00:01:59] Aneta: She says, my goal is to empower and inspire my students to shine their light. When guiding, she uses descriptive words and tunes in to when to be silent so that each student can simply breathe. We had such a great conversation. Veronique shared her multicultural background and childhood and how that inspired her love of food and storytelling.

[00:02:25] Aneta: We also talked a little bit about her love of language she really began growing up hearing Hungarian and French and English in the household and how that really inspired her as she teaches. We also talked about a silent retreat that she attended when she was a young person and all the lessons that she learned when you are unable to speak and what you're able to observe as you go further deep inward to create more peace. It was a really interesting conversation and I think you're going to enjoy it. Take a listen.

Podcast Interview:

[00:02:59] Aneta: Hi Veronique. It's so nice to have you here with me.

[00:03:03] Veronique: Thank you so much. So happy to be here.

[00:03:06] Aneta: So for those that aren't familiar with you, tell us a little bit about your journey and your story.

[00:03:14] Veronique: It's always hard to know where to begin. I tend to go to my earliest memories at my grandparent’s house and being surrounded by the Hungarian language with my dad's family and the French language with my mom's family and being with this really deep love and connection to food and culture and storytelling.

[00:03:51] Veronique: There's a lot of stories, a lot of connection of where my family came from and my dad and I would often secretly rate the stories behind our hands and the longer the stories would be, we would sort of take down the points and my grandfather would jokingly say, well, it's a true story. It has to have a high mark because it's true and it's And that feels like a really phenomenal seed of where I came from, of, telling true stories and connection and feeling this really deeply seated connection of being together.

[00:04:35] Aneta: I love that so much. So my family also is from Eastern Europe and neighboring Hungary. So I love this notion of food and storytelling and family and getting together that makes up so much of the culture and the fabric of my childhood as well. So do you find that it's been easy for you to carry that forward in your life, or are some things easier and some things harder?

[00:05:01] Veronique: I love language. It's been a love of mine for as long as I can remember. And I was really encouraged by my grandfather on my dad's side to put on shows for the family. And this is back in the day before the technologies that we have now, he bought me an Elvis Presley microphone and he hooked it up to a double cassette tape deck.

[00:05:32] Veronique: And what was sweet is then my grandparents would play back these shows that I would put on in the living room of singing Somewhere Over the Rainbow and Ladies and Gentlemen and singing songs in Hungarian and in French and sort of linking it through together in English. And I've always been really drawn to words and descriptive words and feeling words that there's a texture, a quality, a feeling that is really coming through and that brought me into my first love of theater and being a theater major and bringing people together in a dark room where people get to experience something that can't be replicated.

[00:06:22] Veronique: And that really has carried through as a yoga instructor of we're experiencing this thing together that can't be replicated, that it's unique and in the moment, and through the stories, maybe there's movement, maybe there's stillness, but most of all there's the opportunity for thought-provoking inquiry and feeling into what is happening now, and how can the past inform that, and then how can I step into this new moment with perhaps a little bit more acknowledgment of where I've been, and feeling into an awareness of making that choice with curiosity and awe and wonderment and that childlike quality. I keep coming back to this exploration of childlike curiosity of really tapping into that energy of when we were 10 years old and we can be in that space of playfulness and creativity.

[00:07:32] Aneta: Yeah. Well, that sounds magical. So that type of class is so interesting. First I want to ask you, how did you come to yoga? How did it find you? Cause I always find us, I believe. What did that look like for you when you first experienced yoga for the first time? And maybe what was your experience?

[00:07:52] Veronique: I always tell the story that I discovered it in New York. I was living in New York City when Hurricane Sandy came through and my roommate at the time brought me to a yoga class, but really when I've been telling the story, I realized it started much earlier.

[00:08:12] Veronique: And I was living in Los Angeles and the first family that I nannied for, I nannied a lot when I was in my 20s. The father was and is a facilitator for meditation retreats. And he was generous enough to allow me to come to retreat at the Esselstyn Institute in Big Sur, California, where there was guided meditation, there were silent meals, and silent walks. And there was a very resounding intention to slow down and a lot of people in the West like we don't often think about that as an entry point to yoga.

[00:09:03] Veronique: We think of yoga as you're on a yoga mat and you're making different poses with your body. And the more I delve into the practice and the more we all delve into the practice, we start to realize that yoga is so multifaceted and the practice exists in the meditation, in the stillness, in the self-inquiry, all of the eight limbs of finding our pathway, and it can happen while we're folding laundry, it can happen while we're driving, in conversations like this attention to mindfulness. And so really remember my initial entry point through that experience at Esselstyn and that was a really phenomenal seed to be planted in it. And it took a while to be harvested. And then when I came to what we regard as my first yoga class, probably 10 years after that initial experience, I felt like I was coming home.

[00:10:16] Aneta: What was it like, you said you're in your twenties. So what was it like as a young person going to, was it a Vipassana retreat? Was it all silent or was it just part of the time that was silent?

[00:10:30] Veronique: The majority was silent. All of the meals were completely silent. It was a great freedom and it feels like a really phenomenal 180 in the sense of how we began this conversation in storytelling and conversation and sharing, there's nothing that needs to be said out loud, and tuning into perhaps what's going on inside.

[00:11:01] Veronique: And then in that quiet in putting the fork down in between bites, really examining what the state of being is in this moment and how to acknowledge that with compassion and I found it to be really peaceful and I know that's not a lot of people's experience in the silence, but I felt really ready for that experience and really grateful for the opportunity.

[00:11:33] Aneta: Wow. He must've seen in you a maturity or at least someone who maybe was curious enough to experience it because. For so many people, I think we work to fill the space. Silence is uncomfortable. So best way that you can, how would you describe your relationship to yourself after spending time there? Like how you were able to grow, but also what did your interactions with the other folks that were there? What does that look like in silence?

[00:12:05] Veronique: Well, a lot of things came through. One was the disappointment of how little we need to eat. In the pausing and putting the fork down and really chewing each bite. Realizing halfway through my plate that I was satiated. And I think overall that felt like the overarching feeling of how little we need to feel satiated in the tangible things, in the conversation, in what we eat, what we need to do, and sort of divorcing ourselves of this culture of more is better or needing to fill up the spaces as you were speaking of.

[00:12:59] Veronique: And in the slowing down and just really tapping into the simplicity of it all, that felt just so largely liberating of not needing to do anything at all. I definitely have a lot of type-a-like personalities in my being. I started my nonprofit theater company at 22.

[00:13:23] Veronique: I barely slept in my twenties and thirties. I always felt like I had to be doing it. And so now recounting this moment at the Esselstyn Institute and now circling to now I'm 42. And coming back to this space of slowing down and letting go of the extra and really inviting more of those spaces to surrender.

[00:13:50] Veronique: Just like really finding this deep resounding freedom of acknowledging the simplicity that everything we need is inside of us and this liberation and so much of the yoga practice is traveling through. And I really think of it as like a re-being of this time and time again.

[00:14:16] Aneta: It's so beautiful to think about this notion that we don't need a lot to be full or complete or satisfied as you said, or satiated, but in our fast pace, we don't recognize it. We miss the cues, right? We ignore them. So how have you been able to apply those learnings to your life today?

[00:14:44] Veronique: So one of the big practices that when I get asked this of what's the one thing I can do. I really think for what I find to be a large freedom is having my phone away from my person as often as possible. And in fact, I have my phone on do not disturb all of the time, unless I'm expecting a particular message. And I had a teacher explain it to me once that just really landed so much and shifted everything when notifications come through, and there is a great desire to be connected, right?

[00:15:30] Veronique: Of like wanting to be available and wanting to be accessible. However, the way that she put it was, when you have a notification come through, you're focused on one thing. And then it's as if someone comes up to you and just shoves you in the arm. And it just completely derails what you're doing. And I thought that's exactly what happened.

[00:15:51] Veronique: And so, I have been in spaces where I needed to be on call for something, or I'm waiting for something important. And I can really, in real-time, feel how that affects me in my gut. I can feel my heart start to race. I'm very definitively shifting into this sympathetic fight-or-flight state of being.

[00:16:13] Veronique: And so, as often as possible, I really find nothing else. Finding that when I am doing something, it's like one thing at a time, as much as possible, really tapping into my breath and allowing for the rest to sort of fade away into the distance as much as possible. And that's part of the meditation off of the mat.

[00:16:41] Aneta: Yeah. I do the same thing. And. It's so, I don't know how to describe it. It is very peaceful to not have, to know that you can turn everything off and just sort of become much more still and present and focused. And the second I turn it on, like in the evening, if I'm like, okay, what happened?

[00:17:03] Aneta: It's amazing to see how many things would have come through to just serve my peace throughout the day. All the emails, all the text messages, everything else. It's so much. And I don't know that we do it because we want to stay connected. I just feel like people. They have a fear that somehow they're going to be missing something that could be coming through instead of giving what we're focused on actually that same sort of priority or, yeah, it's interesting. It's been like a very slippery slope, I think with all the technology that is suddenly available to us.

[00:17:40] Veronique: Absolutely. I think that one of the beautiful parts of the podcast is this hearkening back to old radio shows that it's really an extension of meditation. It's like, sure, you could listen to a podcast and simultaneously do the dishes or drive to the place. And it's hard to take everything in that way. However, when we listen to a podcast or to a radio show when we're just tuning into that sense of hearing, then we realize, okay, when we're doing this one thing at a time, then we're able to actually fully process something in a way that we wouldn't ordinarily be able to while we're trying to multitask and do all of the things simultaneously.

[00:18:35] Aneta: Yeah, I agree. I love listening to podcasts. I have so many that I really enjoy and I do feel like it's such an intimate experience because you get to listen in on two people's conversation, of course, with their permission. But I do find that I always am able to leave with something that you wouldn't ordinarily maybe pick up on a standard TV show or something else that's available because it's so authentic, right? Like just two people chatting.

[00:19:05] Veronique: Yes. I love it so much.

[00:19:09] Aneta: So you started telling us the story of you were young and you have this passion for language and culture and food and storytelling, which, I love your use of the English language. It's just so beautiful. And so how were you able to weave all that together into your career? Cause you are. A yoga teacher and you've done your 500-hour training, right? This is for those that aren't in a space that is beyond the standard 200 hours that yoga teachers normally go through for certification. So how did you decide that this was something that was going to become a larger part of your life after taking that first class?

[00:19:50] Veronique: So I was fortunate enough to begin my Asana. The pose yoga practice. The poses that we take in the yoga practice while I was living in New York City. And I had really phenomenal teachers and I started off with a little bit of an awareness of my body just coming from a theater background, however, my theater background was in straight plays, I wasn't a dancer, I wasn't a singer, I was more aware of my body in terms of character development and embodying a character in that way versus being flexible or balanced at all.

[00:20:36] Veronique: And so I definitely came in really humbly seeing so many phenomenal practitioners around me doing things that I really loudly in my head said I would never be able to do. And what was really phenomenal is my teachers really believed in me and every now and then they would come over and encourage me a little bit deeper into a pose where they would support me going upside down and different things like this.

[00:21:07] Veronique: And so my physical practice advanced quite a lot in the first five years. And it came to a point where very consistently people around were asking if I was going to become a yoga instructor and I remember saying, no, like I actually love this. I don't want it to be a job and then around this time as I was rounding the bend with my theater company and I really delved so much into my nonprofit theater company.

[00:21:43] Veronique: I'd operated it in Los Angeles and then in New York City and had been running so many different programs of producing revivals of published plays as well as championing new works and had new emerging playwriting groups and readings and was really developing really large seasons by the end of my theater company's career.

[00:22:10] Veronique: And though it was so phenomenal in a lot of regards, some of my best friends I met through these shows and regarded pretty well in the press and through audiences. And also it produced a lot of trauma and stress. It was definitely a phase of my life where I was very much on my devices and I felt like I had to be in communication all of the time I went to sleep responding to an email and I woke up responding to an email and I just felt like I could never catch up because there was so much to be done all of the time.

[00:22:53] Veronique: And when I would come into the yoga practice space, I felt like there was none of the drama. Everyone was there so ready to tap into their own inner peace and wanting to move their bodies in a way that felt good for them. And I started to think if I could feel like this all of the time, then why am I resisting this?

[00:23:22] Veronique: And so that's when I decided, well, let me look into a yoga teacher training and just see how things unfold. I didn't know that I necessarily would teach, but I was starting to flirt with the idea of it and it, and it took several years. It really was a slow evolution coming into that space, and really when I started to feel into my love of storytelling and bringing people together and having these thought-provoking experiences, I thought, this makes so much sense.

[00:23:59] Veronique: This is very much an evolution of my grandfather encouraging storytelling in the living room. It's in a different setting.

[00:24:11] Aneta: It's so interesting. I always love hearing people's stories of how they found their way into yoga and teaching because I also told myself, well, I just want to go deeper. I've been practicing for so long and it feels so good, I want to go deeper and learn more. I'm not sure if I'll ever teach.

[00:24:27] Aneta: And it is such a beautiful gift to be able to also share with others. And so tell me a little bit more about these classes, because it sounds like your classes are not the conventional hot power western yoga that sometimes people may expect, although maybe sometimes they do look like that.

[00:24:47] Aneta: So tell us a little bit about how you choreograph your classes. Is it more intuitive? Do you start with an intention? Do you read the energy in the room? Cause I love hearing how other people approach their classes. 

[00:25:00] Veronique: Yes. So I just got back from Blue Spirit in Costa Rica a couple of days ago, and I was leading a yoga retreat there with my partner, Erin, and we themed the whole week under heart centering. So this is an example of my entry point where rather than a whole week of backbends, for example, it was more the energetics of heart energies. So throughout the week, we had a day on love, and we connected that with the sense of sight. And then the second day we were in unity and connected to the sense of smell.

[00:25:43] Veronique: And so we traveled through the week. We had different entry points connected to each sense, and sometimes it was literal and sometimes it was more like, how is this washing over us? And then in the space, I really love to guide intuitively. So I'm feeling the energy of everyone in the space, and I'm feeling the energy in the space itself, and the magic of the jungle, and the monkeys are howling, and you hear the ocean, and it's like, how can you not connect to love and heart space, and all the senses, and so I really love to have these entry points as more of an energetic tether, and then within that, the movement happens and then sometimes it doesn't.

[00:26:31] Veronique: So then we progressed throughout the whole week, and then we closed with a seated meditation, which was so beautiful. And so we closed with the energy of peace. And so it was a seated meditation, left palm to the heart, right hand, and thumb to the index finger, Om, Shanti, Shanti, Shanti, through the rest of the fingers and then repeating again and again.

[00:26:55] Veronique: We did that for an hour and everyone was like, that felt like it went by so fast. Because at first, it's like, okay, are we really doing this the whole time? And then you kind of drop in and you get into the rhythm of it. And it was just such a beautiful way to close the practice, which I hadn't intended for it to close in that way.

[00:27:15] Veronique: And then at the moment, it just felt like we've done the moves. We've traveled through the things and now stillness feels like the thing. And so this is how I practice, and guide, and intuitively feel into the teaching space, and it's also the practitioner's space. And it varies depending on the setting, if it's a group, if it's one on one, if there's a framework for the workshop, things like that, but mostly it's intuitively feeling what the energy is in this space and the setting and what the energetics of the intention that's coming through.

[00:27:59] Aneta: I love that. So how often do you do these destination retreats?

[00:28:04] Veronique: Right now, once a year, however, we're looking to add one more. We're in the phase of possibly adding one in the fall. So, looking to add a different part of the year. We've been traveling in Costa Rica for the last couple of years, which has been amazing. I really love Costa Rica and the culture and the food and the people and the setting and everything. And we had such a phenomenal group this past week and had a lot of feedback from people wanting to go to Italy and Portugal and all these different places. And so feeling like, sure, let's go.

[00:28:49] Aneta: Yes, of course. I'm actually doing a retreat in Italy in September in Tuscany.

[00:28:55] Veronique: Wonderful. Perfect.

[00:28:56] Aneta: Yeah. So I'll let you know. It's so interesting and so humbling too when people decide to trust you with an experience like that. So who are some of the types of people that usually come into your retreats and how do they find you?

[00:29:13] Veronique: So the majority of people are connected to my partner Erin and me through classes or Erin's also a life coach. So some of her clients through that space some of the private clients that I have locally here as well as I have a lot of private clients on Zoom that are all over the world as well and We tend to attract our amazing type A people who want to do all the things and it's so funny because both Erin and I have this very focused to-do list and we are always in that space of remember, surrender, slowing down.

[00:30:01] Veronique: And so it's this perfect dance of where we remember that. We're inviting our participants to remember that. And so we really feel like we're certainly on this journey together.

[00:30:14] Aneta: Yeah. So what are some of the ways that you remind yourself to surrender? There are some practices that work better for you.

[00:30:23] Veronique: Yes, so I love moments of closing my eyes and then I love moments of taking myself to nature. Nature is everything. Letting my eyes see as far as they can see. And my favorite is the ocean. I also love being around trees and by the river. And I could look out. I mean, right now I'm on my back porch, and there's this beautiful oak tree that I'm looking at, and I'm surrounded by this preserve, and there's a pond over here to my right, and it's just, you probably can hear the birds, it's this reminder that nature doesn't rush, and remember, nor shall we, and when we're in this space of slowing down to really listen to the birds or the frogs or whoever is in chorus at the moment.

[00:31:29] Veronique: And there's something really tethering to being around trees. Like I remember when I was living in New York, I would just have this huge sense of relief just driving upstate a little bit and like, here are the trees. And it's this giant reminder to breathe more deeply, to connect back into slowing down.

[00:31:54] Veronique: We tend to be such sponges to what we surround ourselves by. And it was so interesting. I lived in New York for nine years, and there were times when I wasn't in a rush, but I would find myself trying to get to my destination as quickly as possible just because everyone else was, so I think the other part of surrendering is really taking care of that the people that I'm surrounding myself with are on this vibration that is as calm as possible because I tend to attract the energy that I am at a resting state, which wants to be productive, which wants to be in the space of achieving. And I have to constantly remember to like back off from that because I can get wound up fairly easily and it's definitely a practice. It's my dharma for sure.

[00:33:00] Aneta: Yeah, that resonates with me cause I too, by nature, I'm a little wound tightly. And so I feel like I'm constantly letting go, constantly reminding myself to surrender, to slow down. And I like you, I'm an earth sign. I like to be grounded. I love to be barefoot in the grass and the trees and everything. And so this time of year, I get to enjoy the summer and that feels so good to be able to experience it, but you actually moved. So tell us where you are now, because you're no longer in the concrete jungle of New York City, but somewhere else.

[00:33:34] Veronique: I know. It's very surprising. I'm currently based in Vero Beach, Florida, which is a really small beach town about halfway between Orlando and Miami on the east coast of Florida. And it's really sweet. Everything's 15 minutes away. You can drive to the beach and park right there and the beaches aren't crowded. Tell anyone, although they've progressively gotten more and more crowded since I've been here.

[00:34:08] Veronique: I've been here for five years and it's really sweet, you know I spent the bulk of my life in the northeast of having the four Seasons and being in the sleeping bag, puppy coat for the bulk of the year, and I definitely love the sun and it's been really, I actually don't mind it when it's warm it feels. It's much preferable to being in that deep hole that permeates through the skin and the bones and deep into your core. I really love the warmth it feels like it allows for a more open heart. It's like hard to sit up straight and have your shoulders back when you're cold.

[00:35:01] Veronique: The tendency is to kind of curl in and try to stay warm. And you notice that posture. I would love people watching on the subway it's harder, particularly in this more casual time that we're dressing more casual and being more casual in every day that there's a tendency to slouch and be curled in and so with the climate being warmer, there is that infinite invitation to be more upright, shoulders back, feel maybe like the face is seeking for the sun. And it feels a lot more uplifting, for sure.

[00:35:45] Aneta: I've never thought of that. That sounds amazing. It reminds me that I should be rolling my shoulders back and sitting up a little bit taller.

[00:35:54] Veronique: I know everyone listening just sat up a little bit taller.

[00:36:03] Aneta: Everyone else is like, she could see me. So what else are you up to? Is there anything, or any other projects that you're excited about right now?

[00:36:08] Veronique: Yes, I'm in the process of a workshop series with my partner Ryan Padnuk who's an acupuncturist in town and what's really phenomenal is we've collaborated in the space of yoga with group acupuncture and so we're in the midst of a chakra series. That is a monthly series. So actually this Saturday we're traveling to the solar plexus chakra and the format of the workshop is a circle around a fire And this actually, it's so full circle. It's like our earliest ancestors gathering around the fire and telling stories. And so it's this real echo of gathering around the fire and listening to a story, which is the form of guided meditation.

[00:37:03] Veronique: And everyone has one needle. And as we've been traveling through the chakras, the needle is placed at that chakra center. So you have that steep for the guided meditation. And then Ryan takes out the needle and then I guide them through asana. So for this series, it's a yin-style yoga. So it's very gentle, it's stretching. And then we have an extended Shavasana. Everyone lays down in a corpse pose and has the same needle of four points, which is the zen or the yin treatment. So two points by the wrist and two points by the feet. And so everyone's synced up. And what's really great is of being in the circle is all of the acupuncture points are making that circle.

[00:37:47] Veronique: Everyone's connected. So everyone's getting their individual treatment and then they're also getting this collective treatment. Everyone's in that same frequency. And so everyone walks, well, they really float out of there feeling super dropped in and so that's been a really phenomenal series, and then we're finding traveling through the senses, which will be through more of a young style practice coming up in the fall. And so I really enjoy this collaboration. It feels like a really nice coupling of these two modalities coming together.

[00:38:27] Aneta: I've never heard of a program like this, but I want it like that. I love acupuncture and I love yoga. So those two things together sound absolutely amazing. And I believe you when you say people are floating out, ‘cause I'm kind of floating as I'm thinking about embodying that space right now.

[00:38:46] Aneta: So that sounds amazing. And I'm sure that people can find it on your website and all the details, but how else can we support you and where can people find you?

[00:38:58] Veronique: All the offerings are mostly on my website, which is yoga with veronique.com. You can follow me on Instagram, which is @veroniqueoryfeel, and feel free to connect there as I love the community and I love connection. Feel free to message me. I would love to connect.

[00:39:23] Aneta: It's beautiful. I'll include all of that in the show notes. And I ask all my guests, the final question, which is tied to the title of the podcast, which is, what does it mean to you to live the width of your life?

[00:39:36] Veronique: I really love the feeling that the light that is in me, it touches you and then there's the opportunity for that to have a really powerful ripple effect. And so I visualize that like the perfect skipping stone hitting the water and you feel and you see that ripple out as far as possible.

[00:40:01] Veronique: And so, I really love that idea. And, I see that play out of how the practice transforms someone, and then how that affects their relationships at home when they go to work, then their kids, and how it affects their relationships at school, and then to their teachers, and so on, and so on, and just really feeling the width of that expansion of how each of our lives can really enhance the whole.

[00:40:31] Aneta: That's very beautiful. Thank you so much, Veronique for our time today. And thank you for just being such a bright, shining light in this world. I love all the work that you're doing. And I do believe that you are that perfect skipping stone, right? And that you are sending all those ripples out. And I hope to be able to join you on one of your retreats or one of your classes. Be a special trip to Florida for me to experience that.

[00:40:55] Veronique: So I love that. Thank you. I feel the same about you. Thank you for having me on your podcast. It was truly a joy.

[00:41:05] Aneta: Excellent. Well, hopefully, we get to have more conversations going forward. Thank you so much.

[00:41:11] Veronique: Thank you.

[00:41:13] Aneta: Thank you for listening to today's episode. If you have lost your zest for life and wondering if there's more to life than this. I want you to know that there is. If you are tired of being burned out and overworked, I was there and now I want to help you download my free, easy-to-implement daily routines checklist to empower you to take control of your personal health and wellbeing and start to feel good again. Head out to my website for your copy and I will see you next week.

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