Your Purpose Doesn't Have to Stay the Same Forever
Erin Dougherty
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Aneta (00:03): Erin, welcome to the Live the Width of Your Life podcast.
Erin (00:07): Thank you so much for inviting me. I'm really looking forward to our conversation.
Aneta (00:11): Yeah. One thing that really intrigued me as I was doing my research on you is how you blend science with intuition and spirituality. And I'm really curious, like, what led you to see these things as actually complementary and not separate? Cause some people keep them separate.
Erin (00:32): Yeah, and that's a great question. And I realize how hard it is for a lot of people to see science and spirituality as a conversation. They tend to keep them as two separate, maybe even competing entities. But one thing is that I'm a natural researcher; I love reading. I've been like that since I was a kid. And my first foray into understanding, like, blending this science and spirituality was reading the work of Dr. Joe Dispenza.
I also like Dr. Bruce Lipton and his book, The Biology of Belief, where he argued that genes aren't the only predictor of health, and he showed through studies that our thoughts and beliefs do influence our health and wellness. That really got me curious. I wanted to understand, like, how that's possible. And I do realize that we're mind-body, and I know a lot of people can accept the idea of the mind and body speaking to each other.
But when I was a kid, just to go back a little bit, when I was younger, I realized early on that I had a very highly developed intuition. I could just read people very easily growing up. I would pick up on everybody's emotions. This skill came in handy later, but it was hard to manage as a kid because I could tell when people were putting on an act. So I could almost tell what they were feeling underneath, but then they would say something different.
Because they needed to put on a facade, or they didn't want to talk about their problems in front of a kid. But I could always feel the truth behind what they were actually saying. And I didn't know how to handle that as a kid. But alongside with that, I was very interested in, I love science fiction. I devoured every science fiction book growing up. And in school, I was really interested in chemistry and biology. I love doing experiments. I loved exploring the human body.
So these two things naturally blended in my life, but I realized a lot of people don't. But by the time I got to college, I decided to pursue my love of the arts, and I became an English teacher. I learned early on that I had an aptitude for language, storytelling, and writing. So I went that way because I didn't have many examples in my family of women going into the sciences. So I decided to put that on the back burner.
And I became an English teacher for 18 years. I taught through the pandemic until I hit full burnout, like a lot of teachers. And I had to ask myself: Can I see myself doing this for the next five to 10 years? And I really couldn't. So I hit a wall, and I needed to make a decision. So I decided to go back to what I loved: science. I applied for a job I had no business applying for, but a friend recommended I apply for a clinical research coordinator job.
I had never heard of that job before. I didn't have a bachelor's in science, so I didn't think I would even get an interview, but I did, and I got hired, and it was one of the best jobs I've had. I loved working with research subjects in clinical trials, and I realized I had a lot of transferable skills from teaching that helped me excel in that job. And this position working with patients one-on-one, being a liaison between them and the neurologists on the
Clinical drug trials, I realized I'm passionate about health advocacy. And it's what led me to get my certification as a health and wellness coach. So that's sort of my winding road, how I got here. Mm-hmm.
Aneta (03:58): Yeah, so interesting. I wanted to unpack just a couple of things. So when you were young, and you sensed that intuition, did you even have a word for what you were experiencing, right?
Erin (04:09): No.
Aneta (04:11): Well, you said that you could sense what people were feeling, maybe, but then they would say something that seemed misaligned somehow. So did you share that with anybody? Like, did you share or ask people around you, your adults, like, hey, I noticed this. Did you really mean it?
Erin (04:27): No, I didn't even have language for that. And I was also brought up as a Catholic. And so I wasn't really raised to ask a lot of questions. My family went to church. We were supposed to accept what the priest said. And I didn't understand why I had this ability or even that it was an ability. I just thought everybody felt like this. As kids, we just think everybody thinks and feels the way we do.
So I thought everyone in my family could tell what the others were thinking. But it did turn out that eventually, when I got a little bit older, I was able to talk to my mom, who was much more open to this, especially after my parents divorced and I was living with my mom and my mom's side of the family. I felt like I could explore it a little more, especially since they were much more on the creative side of my family. So I could talk to them about intuition and creativity, and that seemed to be a doorway into talking about those things.
Aneta (05:18): Wow. Did you pursue expanding on your intuition when you were younger, or did it come later?
Erin (05:25): It came a little later. In fact, it's interesting because I feel like a lot of the decisions I make in my life have come from situations that I didn't plan, that I was put in. I had a major life change or a breakdown. Then I ended up pursuing something because of that breakdown, and it ended up radically changing my life. And what happened was, in my twenties, I had experienced a lot of depression and anxiety.
I know now that much of those mood swings were caused by hormone imbalances. So I have PCOS, or now it's called PMOS, I think it is. But when I was in college, I was diagnosed with PCOS and put on birth control pills. I had a lot of mood swings and depression. And in my 30s, I really wanted to understand how to help myself without having to be on birth control or using other medications. So I found a Reiki instructor in my hometown of Pittsburgh, started going to her, and really loved how I felt after a session, so I decided to study and learn Reiki.
Aneta (06:25): It's interesting. So it sounds like at a young age you were intuitive with your own body too, like, even though the doctor's telling me this is what I need to take, something just doesn't feel right.
Erin (06:35): Yes, absolutely. Yeah.
Aneta (06:38): That's interesting. Where did you find the permission to challenge some of those things? It's really hard for many women. I mean, I think people in general, of any age, don't really advocate for their own health, because we're taught to respect people who have higher degrees and especially in medicine than us. But what gave you the permission to say, " No, I think I need to explore some other options here.
Erin (07:02): Yeah, I've always been like this. I've always been somebody who's questioned authority, who's questioned things. I'm just a natural questioner who used to get me in trouble when I was a kid, in school, in church. I was curious. And I wasn't trying to be obstinate or questioning. I just really wanted to understand why people believed what they believed or why they were telling me to do something.
I didn't do it just because somebody in authority said I should. I wanted to understand the why or the reasoning behind why they wanted me to do X, Y, and Z. So I've always been like that, although when I was younger, I wasn't as vocal as I am now. And I don't know if that's just from getting older. It's just sort of not caring so much what people think about me. But I sort of felt that way in my twenties because I was struggling so much with these things, and I wasn't finding relief.
I was looking through the traditional medical path. I knew that I had to advocate for myself because otherwise the other option was just giving up or descending into depression and not really living my life. And I knew at a young age that I had something I came here to do. So I knew I had to figure out how to get rid of the debris holding me down. It came from that place of wanting to be the best version of myself. And if I felt like somebody in authority was telling me to go down a different path that was gonna lead me away from myself, I just challenged them.
Aneta (08:28): It's interesting because to me, these look like breadcrumbs, fast-forwarding to what you do today or how you teach other people to do this. When you started off, it's interesting. I was an English lit major, so I love that we have some similarities here. When you decided to go down the path of education, you said that this is an example that I had in front of me. And I think so many of us do that. We make choices based on what we've seen modeled for us, or maybe what was shared in the family, or what was rewarded. Did you think that you would stay in education until retirement? Was that the plan?
Erin (09:01): This is funny, if I can just go backtrack a little bit and tell this story. I never imagined myself as a teacher. It actually took my best friend since childhood. We had both moved back to our hometown after college and I was just sort of languishing, doing a bunch of part time jobs. I had no vision for my future.
And she saw that in me, and she said, Erin, I heard about this master's in education program. Let's just do it together. It'll be like old times back in school. And I was like, you know what? If you're gonna do it, I'll do it. And that's actually how I got into teaching. But it was so strange because then, after I became a teacher, it was like, how did I never think this was something I wanted to do? I didn't have it on my life plan until somebody else said, Hey, you want to do this with me. And then it became a vocation.
After many years, it became something that defined my identity. It defined my sense of purpose. I didn't know how to do anything else professionally because I started teaching at twenty-eight, and then at forty-seven, when the pandemic hit, I hadn't done anything else. And so I had done some odd jobs here and there, but I hadn't really done any other kind of career, and so I couldn't even imagine myself after those eighteen years doing anything else, and then I found myself as a clinical research coordinator. So it seems like I do things accidentally, or I join something because another person says, I think you would like this or " This would be a good fit and then I just go with it.
Aneta (10:30): Is that what happened though with the health coaching, or did that come on its own?
Erin (10:34): That came on its own, actually. So that was the one thing where I wasn't just led into it by someone else. It came through my experiences as a clinical research coordinator and learning about the ins and outs of research and what goes into creating a drug or what goes into researching a disease. I think what really inspired me to pursue health and wellness coaching was working within the disease model of health, which a lot of Western doctors work within. And there's a lot of great things that Western medicine has given us.
Obviously, if I need a heart transplant, I want to go to a good hospital and have a great surgeon. But one thing I learned in my training is that health and wellness are multidimensional, and they don't just include the physical body. It includes much more than the absence of disease. And so, because I was around people who were struggling with degenerative neurological diseases, I started to ask them questions during research sessions; I wanted to learn about them as people apart from their disease.
And nobody had ever really asked them that. The doctors wanted to understand what was happening in their bodies so they could help them or slow the disease. But what I learned, because I was the one working with them for longer periods of time, I learned that they were more than just their disease, that they were whole people with lived experiences, with passions, with desires and really that like inspired me and I wanted to learn more about health and wellness coaching because it's holistic.
Aneta (12:06): Yeah. The first coaching certification that I went through was also health and wellness coaching
Erin (12:12): Okay.
Aneta (12:12): I actually think I did mine through IIN and the Integrative Institute of Nutrition. And I think everybody should go through it because as you said, it's so integrative and we learned so much about the mind, the body, the spirit. I just learned so much.
So that I could be my own advocate, so I can actually look at my own habits and think about longevity and what I was hoping for. And then you just get this fire and this passion to be able to share it with everyone else because there's so much information that we don't necessarily know about, or there's too much, and then we get confused because we're inundated with ads and marketing for all kinds of products that we probably don't need or supplements that might not even be working. I know that you work specifically with a lot of women. You also work with women navigating major life transitions, especially in midlife. It's not, I'm sure, a coincidence that you also went through this yourself when you were 47. I left my career at 47; it seems to be a magic number. It's a good year to start questioning things. What are you finding with the women that you're working with?
Erin (13:21): Yeah, so a lot of the women that I speak to, there's a theme emerging, and right now, actually, something that I've been hearing a lot is women wanting a career change. And that surprised me. Actually, women who have been working twenty, thirty years in the same field and the same career- maybe they reached the pinnacle of it and they just feel empty inside, and they feel like This isn't giving me anything anymore or I thought this was what I was supposed to do. And I'm seeing this a lot.
Women also want to start their own businesses and go out on their own and not be an employee anymore. So they can control their finances, their life, how they work, and how they live. And it surprised me that that's been coming up a lot. But if I could share a quick story, I actually started a meetup group in my town, and I've moved a lot in the past few years
I found it a little hard, as I've gotten older, to make close friends. When I was younger, and I'm sure maybe your listeners can relate to this. It was easy for me to just meet people at school, grad school, work. It was easy for people to get together and do things as groups, and then you eventually formed friendships. But as I've gotten older, and especially since I've moved a lot, I found it harder to make deeper connections.
So I looked around my town to see if there was any kind of support group for women over 40, or a meetup group for women at my stage of life. And there was actually nothing. There were a lot of activity groups, which is fine- pickleball, book clubs, that sort of thing- which I had participated in, but I felt like I would do the activity, then go home, and I was still kind of lonely and disconnected.
So I decided to start this group, not thinking; I thought maybe five or ten people would find it and sign up. It's now over a hundred women. I host the meetups twice a month. And the thing is, we just go to different coffee shops, drink coffee or tea, and chat. That was it. It was that simple. And apparently, women are really hungry for this. And the conversations that I hear at the coffee table really inform my coaching work because a lot of women are feeling like, especially in our generation, maybe
Generation X, we're so hyper-independent. We feel like we have to figure it all out ourselves, carry everything, and not ask for help. And that is definitely a theme I've heard in these coffee discussions, where women are feeling the weight of all these changes happening in their life at once, and they don't feel like they have the support to navigate it. And so that's just something that's come up a lot.
Aneta (15:52): Yeah, I mean, that's a lot of the work I do with my coaching clients is people ready to make a change. And it's really interesting because many times there are these women who are amazing leaders, and they're just quietly slipping out. It's not even like Let's have a conversation.
They're just done; that's surprising. but I mean I spent two years planning my exit. And it definitely was something I was considering, but there's so much fear around leaving and so many questions: did I just waste 25 years of my life building something? And the interesting thing is that many times the women I see and the women I'm talking with are building businesses in something that might not even be tied to what they used to do. Like it might just be a passion that was always in the background or something that they were curious about, like in your case.
When you're younger, you're curious about science and the intersection with spirituality. And so it's actually really exciting, but at the same time, it really makes me nervous for the state of organizations going forward because it's not a good idea to lose diversity. It's not a good idea to lose female leaders and those role models and mentors for other younger leaders, men and women. So I don't know how to fix that.
I don't know if people are even trying to fix it. That's the part I think is the hardest: just watching people walk away with no, I mean, no regrets. Yeah.
Erin (17:22): Backup then? Yeah, no, I also don't have regrets about moving from being an employee into being a CEO. And it's actually something you bring up is really important because I would love to work with corporations or companies to help their female workforce navigate this phase in life, in particular perimenopause, because
I hear this all the time. Women just say, "I can't concentrate." I have so much brain fog. I have fatigue. I can't operate at the same level that I did even ten years ago. I feel like I'm dropping the ball, especially if they're in executive positions. They just don't have the stress resilience that they used to.
And I feel like the job doesn't actually accommodate that. I know other countries like Portugal is actually building in specific sick days for women who have menstrual related issues where you can call in and say, hey, something going on. You don't have to be very specific, but it's related to women's health in particular, and they can call in, and the work actually has to accept that. And maybe even offer accommodations if they need special accommodations because of female problems or hormone imbalances and things like that.
And I feel like the US could probably learn from that and build structures and systems within institutions to help keep women who maybe like their jobs or love their jobs, but don't feel like they can do it at the same level they used to.
Aneta (18:49): Yeah. And I think that's a part of it. I don't even know how many women like that's their primary reason for leaving.
Erin (18:54): Yeah, maybe not. Yeah.
Aneta (18:57): I think, yeah, it's what I'm finding is that people are leaving because they're not feeling fulfilled. They reach a certain point and keep thinking the next promotion, the next job title, whatever, is going to be the thing. And I think we reached a state, at least for me too, I just reached a point in my life where I was like,
I'm just thinking, how many summers do I have left in my life? How many years? And is this really what I want to do professionally? Is this really all I want to create in the world? And the answer was no. And so
I'm seeing that's the difference between women, even those that are retiring and still wanting to build something afterward. Many of the men that I work with, they're like, their goals after retirement are maybe some board work, a lot of golfing.
Maybe a little bit more travel, but a lot of the women are like, I wanna build a business. I want to do something different. I want to get involved in more things. But I think that we're starting to see that the age is becoming younger and younger, not necessarily waiting for retirement. And maybe the changes in menopause propel people forward in a way.
Erin (19:59): Absolutely, I totally agree with you. And you're right in the sense that there's probably multiple reasons why women are leaving the workforce or why they want a shift in their careers.
And I know in my case, and you can relate, I also got to that point where I was like, is this really what I want to do anymore? Is this giving me meaning? You think that you have this purpose. And a lot of us think that our purpose has to last our entire lifetimes, but I don't agree with that.
I think that our purpose and our interest can shift if we allow ourselves to be flexible. But absolutely, I think menopause and maybe the physiological changes in the body and the mind as our hormones fluctuate, as estrogen drops. I've heard this from a lot of women I work with and the women in my meetup group; they just don't have the patience anymore, and, to put it bluntly, they're not willing to put up with the crap they used to put up with and call it normal.
So maybe that is, like, a gift, actually, I think, of this stage of life: you're not trying to people-please as much or be as socially acceptable, and you're really trying to advocate for yourself and speak up for what you want and desire. And I see that as a positive in this stage of life. Mm-hmm.
Aneta (21:05): Yeah. I do too. I do too. I'm really curious, maybe because you've worked with so many women in midlife who are going through perimenopause, menopause. What are some of the ways that you work with women? Cause everyone I talk to, my age group, is somewhere it's either happening, it's about to happen, it's already happened, they're experiencing changes. And look, I'm excited that we're not pretending that women are not going through changes, hormonal changes, when we get to a certain age. I mean, men go through it too; theirs are a little different. Some of their outward symptoms may not be the same as ours, but they have experienced it in other ways. So what are some of the things that you are able to help women with when they work with you?
Erin (21:49): Yeah, so this is where my particular training comes in, and where I got my health and wellness coaching training; it was through Mind Body Green. It was a wonderful program. It was very robust. It's sort of based on the National Board Certification program. And so what I was trained in primarily, and how I try to communicate what I do to people, is that I'm a behavior change expert.
So I'm not here to tell you what to do. I'm not here to give you a workout routine or a diet plan; other people can do that. What I do is try to get to know you first: your values, what drives you, what's important in your life right now, your support system, and what your lived experience looks like. So the first few sessions are me getting to know my clients and understanding what makes them tick, what motivates them, and why they want change.
Because a lot of people get stuck in that sort of pre-contemplation, or they think, like, you know what, I really do need to create healthy habits, or I really do want to change in this area, but they get stuck in the planning phase. They might do a lot of research; they might listen to podcasts; they might read the articles, which is fine. But then there's that step when you have to move beyond research and contemplation and actually take action.
And that's where I come in, where I'm trained to understand behavior change psychology, understanding what sabotages us from reaching our goals, understanding how our beliefs shape our actions and behavior, how to overcome setbacks, that sort of thing. And this is where I like to bring all the tools to the table from my own lived experience and my experiences as an energy worker and that sort of thing, that I kind of bring that into the coaching with these women.
Aneta (23:33): I love that. Are there certain practices that you like to recommend or to have people explore?
Erin (23:40): Yeah, actually something I was introduced to recently. So I use Insight Timer a lot in the morning. Mornings are sacred to me. I'm not a morning person, so I like to kind of start my morning slow. When I wake up, I have my cup of coffee, sit in my meditation chair, and either find a guided meditation on Insight Timer or journal. But one day I was just typing in
I don't know, I was typing in gratitude meditations, and this body gratitude guided meditation popped up, and I thought, that's interesting. I've never heard of body gratitude before. And this was actually timely because that week I was having a really hard time in my own body. Some old back injuries started to flare up. I was having trouble sitting; I was feeling a little bit hormonal; I was just not feeling great about my body.
And I know a lot of women, especially at this stage of life, can start focusing on the things that are going wrong, that don't feel well. And I never wanna bypass that. I think it's good to talk about the things that aren't going well. But what this body gratitude meditation did was it allowed me to pay attention to the ways my body actually helps me, what it gives me.
For example, I can hug the people I love, go on a hike, and play with an animal. There are so many things that are going on inside our bodies all the time that we're not even aware of that we just take for granted that help keep us alive, that help us be able to, do the things we love. And so it was really nice. And I started to do it every day for a week. And I really noticed how my mindset shift helped me navigate this bad week, when my body felt like it was falling apart. So I would highly recommend that.
Aneta (25:14): I love that. Yeah, it's really strange to start not recognizing your body anymore, and to realize that maybe the practices or things we've done in the past just don't work the same way, and then struggle with the mindset and what we tell ourselves about all of that. We can be really unkind. Yeah. And so how do you help women? Then you say change behaviors, like really set some new expectations around where they are today, how to maybe reset expectations that maybe the goal is not to look like we're 25 again, right? But how do we focus on appreciating what's here, what's available, what we're grateful for, while still, of course, wanting to take good care of ourselves and make sure we are setting ourselves up for the longevity we want?
Erin (26:02): Exactly. And I think longevity is really important because it's not about a certain number on the scale. It's not about what size our genes are; it's really about how long we can live our lives to be there for other people, to learn, grow, and create. And it's like, how can we set ourselves up to hopefully live a long life?
And so for me, I kind of look at it from that perspective, and I also know from personal experience, because I've had a lot of weight fluctuations in perimenopause, where it's very easy to be hard on yourself and to be hard on our bodies. We get a lot of messages externally as women about how we should look. One thing is not comparing yourself to another person, but don't compare yourself to a previous version of you because it's so easy.
I remember when I was first losing weight several years ago; I remember when I was younger, I was always naturally thin, kind of scrawny even. I couldn't gain weight even if I tried. And when I was trying to set my goal weight, I remember I had a friend saying, like, maybe you can get back to the weight you were at 25. And I'm like, why would I want to do that? First of all, my body probably wouldn't maintain it. And That's just unrealistic. And I remember when I set the goal weight, I set it at something I thought was manageable and would help me feel good in my body.
Aneta (27:16): Yeah.
Erin (27:16) And so it's about adjusting goals. A lot of times in particular, I work with people on setting goals and actually scaling goals. Sometimes people think way too big when they want change.
Aneta (27:30): Yeah.
Erin (27:31): They want to go to the gym five days a week, and then they beat themselves up if they only go four.
But I try to tell them, "You went four." So give yourself a pat on the back for that.
Aneta (27:40): That's right.
Erin (27:41): And a lot of times we tend to look at the things that we didn't get done that we don't check off of our to-do list. And that can set a precedent for not failing, but for meeting setbacks you can't get over because you put unrealistic expectations on yourself.
And what I try to tell people is, let's scale the goals. Maybe this week you have a busy week, you have family coming into town, maybe you can go to the gym two days a week, or you can go on a walk with somebody you love, and that could be your exercise. So it's a lot of like readjusting and moving depending on what's happening in your life right now.
Aneta (28:16): So good. I love that advice. And I think that part of what is helpful is if we can tune out a lot of the noise, the external noise, and just come back to our intuition, as you said, maybe our inner GPS and that still quiet voice within. So what are some of the things you mentioned, the guided meditations? Is there anything else you really recommend for women who have a hard time meditating but also want to increase their ability to be present?
Erin (28:46): Yeah, well, I can speak to this from personal experience. I have a hard time with sitting meditations. I don't know if I have a really overactive monkey mind or what, but it's like I can't seem to sit for longer than 10 minutes. So I would recommend maybe trying walking meditations. If you love going on hikes, you can listen to a guided meditation while you're walking, or just listen to the sounds of nature to clear your head, and maybe count your steps as a meditative practice.
Another thing that I recommend is if you don't like to journal. I've been using voice notes or voice recordings on my phone. So if you feel like your thoughts are racing a little too far ahead and you can't write them down as fast as you're thinking, just hit record and blurt it all out. And then you can keep it for later. Maybe you listen to it, maybe you delete it, but at least you've gotten it out of your mind. And that's been very helpful for me.
Aneta (29:43): Absolutely.
Erin (29:44): And it's also been interesting to look back at some of these voice memos as sort of like a historical record of what I've been going through the last few years and even seeing like how far I've come, because sometimes we forget when we're in the moment that we've actually overcome a lot or we've actually grown or we've met a lot of goals. And sometimes when we're stuck in a bad situation, we might not see how far we've come.
So I would recommend that. But if I can add a few more things: EFT tapping. I really love it. In fact, right now I'm finishing a program to become an EFT practitioner, but I love going on YouTube and typing in EFT and a particular topic you want to work on. And so if you have something in particular you want to release a block around, or you want to change your mindset, find a YouTube video and do that tapping protocol for a week or two weeks, or however long you need. And I've noticed that really shifting things within myself and also with the people I work with.
Aneta (30:34): Yeah, there are so many great tools.
Erin (30:37): Yeah.
Aneta (30:37): And that's what I tell people, like if you try one and it doesn't work, it doesn't mean that there aren't others available. I teach breath work. I love breath work. I love, as you said, Reiki energy, so many different things. For anyone listening who would like to learn more about you or work with you, what is the best way they can find you?
Erin (30:54): Yeah, well, they can find me on the major social media platforms. I'm on LinkedIn, Facebook, Instagram. But if any of your listeners are going through major life transitions or just want to talk to somebody who can help guide them through these transitions and reconnect to their intuition, they can always book a free clarity call with me.
It's a low-pressure call where I get to know you, hear your story, and ask about the main areas you're struggling with. And then I ask, " Is there anything that I can do to help you? And so they can book that call by going to tinyurl.com backslash free call in the number 15. You can link that in the show notes, but they can also, as I said, find me on Instagram, Facebook, and LinkedIn.
Aneta (31:41): That's wonderful. Thank you, Erin.
Erin (31:43): Thank you.
Aneta (31:44): And I ask everyone a final question, which is: what does it mean to you to live the width of your life?
Erin (31:50): Yeah, I really like that quote because most people think of the length of things. But what I really love about living the width of your life is going deep, really going down layer to layer to layer to layer to really kind of explore the deep ways you can learn about yourself, the way you can help others, and how you can serve in the world. And that's kind of my take on that quote.
Aneta (32:14): Love it. Thank you, Erin, for your time today.
Erin (32:15): Thank you so much.
Aneta (32:17): It was so nice to meet you. And I just wish you continued success with all that you do.
Erin (32:22): Thank you so much. It was a pleasure.