How Paralegals Are Quietly Rewriting the Justice System (YouTube Transcript)
Aneta Ardelian Kuzma (00:01.725)
Jersey, welcome to the Live the Width of Your Life podcast. I'm so excited that you're here with me.
Jerzy Gregorek (00:08.055)
Well, thank you, and I appreciate being here.
Aneta Ardelian Kuzma (00:10.219)
Yeah. You know, it's incredible. Your bio that people just listened to is so rich, so full. And as I was preparing for today's time together, I thought, do I even begin with Jerzy? Because he has had such an amazing life. And so, for those that maybe don't know too much about your background, you have lived
these different lives in Poland, in challenging circumstances that maybe you want to share, exile. Then you immigrated, and you became a world champion. You're a poet, you're a scholar. You have coached people like Tim Ferriss and Naval Radekhan. It's like what an amazing, enchanted life. So, can you just share a little bit about maybe some of your earlier days and how that brought you to where you are today?
Jerzy Gregorek (01:10.126)
Well, you know, like they say that some people have like seven lives like cats. So maybe it's something with me. But it's a constant between lucky and not lucky. So that's why I would say. And then when you're lucky, and you come out of not luck, then you learn something, and you actually become a better person. And so my time is, you know, I was an alcoholic in high school. I really fell into darkness, and it was like three years in darkness. Then I was lucky.
So somebody appeared in my life and pulled me out of it. So I didn't die, but it was really difficult. I was suicidal, and the meaning of life was gone completely. And I was 18 years old, and I was lucky somebody appeared in my life and pulled me out of that. So then I entered a fire department and became a firefighter after about a year. I was 19 years old and really loved the fire department. Meantime, I also did Olympic weightlifting, and after five years, during these five years, I went back to high school and finished my high school, and it was rough, it was tough.
I started high school before. They were all in medical schools, and I was studying in high school. So it was really Mentally, it was rough, tough. Then, about when I was 24, I began the Fire Protection Engineering Academy to study fire protection engineering and become a chief somewhere in Poland in the fire department. I really love to be a firefighter. It was something interesting for me. The first time I was in a fire engine and going to the fire, I was 19 years old, and the experience I had, I cannot buy that experience. I felt for the first time that somebody needed me.
And I'm going to. I have goosebumps now, really. It's just like, yeah, 50 years after. And that was a really great experience that I loved, and I wanted over and over. And the fire department, being a fireman, I was getting it. I was getting this feeling to be with people. To be a rescuer, to be a savior, a real love to be. Maybe, you know, I was an alcoholic, and I was saved, and maybe that had a huge impact on me. But, you know, Life is full of surprises. When I was 27, I was just before graduating from engineering, and it was 81 and Solidarity was in a full swing, and the government wanted to use the fire department against the demonstrations. So we said no, I was the leader of the strike, and then my life flipped from the one that was going to graduate, and I was already married for years, and we were going to go somewhere and start our life.
And our life flipped. I was underground for four years, and after four years, my dear friend and mentor, Joseph Obyuszko, who was a priest in Warsaw, was captured, tortured, and murdered. And shortly after, I get a message that I have to go. And shortly after, in 85, in March, I left Poland. And my wife didn't go with me because we were afraid that
they would stop us at the border. So I ended up in Sweden, and my wife bribed some people and joined me 10 months later. Then we went to Germany, and I went to the CIA to expose my work on the underground because something was going on. Somebody was snitching.
and were a There were a lot of arrests. So I spent about two to three weeks. And after that, we landed in New York, in LA, and it's 1986, And in New York, when we were going from New York to actually to Phoenix, and not to Phoenix, Detroit, our luggage that we had, only one luggage, everything that we had, was stolen, was gone, was stolen, gone, gone.
And we had only, you know, a thousand dollars and clothes on ourselves and nothing else. So we decided to go to LA, $400 tickets. We have $600 land in LA, LAX. And the person who was going to meet us and help us said that she was sick and could not provide any help. So we are at LAX at 11 p.m., and nobody and six hundred dollars, and that's it. So that was our beginning. Eventually, we ended up in a Polish friend who was on a plane with us, and he was sponsored by his aunt. We slept there on the floor for some months, some days, and then
this Polish family helped us to live in the house they were building, and there was no heating, but we were happy to be there. And then shortly after, 10 months, 2 months, and then I found a gym in Burbank and started working in the power suits. And that's the beginning of a new era.
Aneta Ardelian Kuzma (08:26.557)
Wow. As you think back and you're even sharing your story, going through it, I don't know how often you revisit it because sometimes we normalize the experiences that we have. But as you think back to that and you see all of the things that had to have happened in your life to bring you to where you are, what would you say were some of the biggest moments that built the resilience today?
Jerzy Gregorek (08:54.634)
I think that's when I came out of alcoholism, it was really a big one, and learn how to live life without it. Then next was the Olympic weightlifting, and just before really my career, I was thinking that I got injured and paralyzed, and that recovery was about half a year. Then I returned to sport and to Olympic weightlifting, and it happened again. And the doctor, the orthopedist, said, if you do it, you can be permanently paralyzed. So we have to give up. So then, giving up, grieving that that was really tough. And, but I was recovering.
So then the fire department, where I couldn't be fireman anymore, was another; this was the third one. So I still have dreams that I'm in the fire department somewhere, where I finished my school. I imagine like 45 years, and I still have these dreams, you know, but it's so grieving is automatic. You grieve without yourself.
So if you go through a flip of life, that something flips so badly and so differently, then everything is new. But the grieving is strong. It's like a worry, like you worry about your daughter. Like I have a daughter, and I worry all the time. Even if it doesn't matter what I want to worry about, I worry. It's a sad thing that you don't have control over that, like blushing. If you blush, you blush, and you cannot do anything about it.
Aneta Ardelian Kuzma (11:04.008)
It's so true, and some of those things would have broken other people. think that today, as we think about just the struggles a lot of folks have, it's difficult to relate to your story because you had so many one right after another. And yet I wonder how much of that built this philosophy that you have right now sitting behind you that says hard choices, easy life, easy choices, hard life. Tell me a little bit more about when you first came across that philosophy and how it applies to everything that you're doing today.
Jerzy Gregorek (11:39.657)
You know, I was when we published the Happy Body book that had everything inside of it to help people to create this athletic lifestyle medicine for themselves. Then I found that the book is there, and people will do it. And everything is there. So it's great that we were faced with another challenge. And another challenge was that it was very hard for people to actually create that lifestyle for themselves. So I still had clients, and I just thought that the clients would not be there because the book is there. So my work is done in that area.
That was not true. People started really coming and needed the structure, needed the help, needed the mentorship. And I was looking at that, and looking at the plant that is already there, and looking at the suffering of people with that inability to create for themselves a good life.
And because of the emotional issues. So I was looking at the suffering, and I started writing poems, poem after poem. But four years passed, and I created the old book of poetry that was written because of my clients’ suffering and just inability to create goodness for themselves. Even
they wanted. And that was shocking for me. I then created these dialogues between the fatalist and the master in the mind, and how to outwit the fatalist, how the master actually outwits. So I was really interested, you know, really what to do, how to do that we actually can improve
and create this compound interest that would help us to actually get better, to accumulate more money, or, you know, getting stronger or more flexible or calmer. So that was, that road is like building the skill, mental skill for how to live life, how to live life that with this
Jerzy Gregorek (14:37.855)
hard choices and hard choices are always appearing when we want to engage this 10 % compound interest, that is, when we need something to get better, we need mentorship, we need a plan, we need strategies, and so on. If we don't have it, then we only live life, and life happens to us. So we are unable to create a better life.
So that was quite a road. And I found out that we need so many different perspectives, like poetry, dialogues, meditation, and exercise routine, a daily routine. And, you know, we need mentors. We need to Really, we need mentors. We need people who can help us on that road.
You are one of the mentors here, one of the voices that go to people and help people actually with this resilience, help people to wake up in the morning and go do the writing or go to school or go to work or whatever. Whatever is in front of them, they need to do like Michelle Obama said, right? It's like, what's in front of you?
Aneta Ardelian Kuzma (15:54.764)
Which is cool. Good.
Jerzy Gregorek (16:05.803)
You woke up and did it. And I know, it's easier than, say, actually creating that. That's why my focus was always on daily routine, that it has to be daily, it has to be rooted. It's like in you that you wake up in the morning and you don't question going to the gym or meditating.
It's like I meditate twice a day, I do TM, and I don't question it. I have in the morning, and I have 5 p.m. I sit, and I meditate, and it's already 35 years of that. And there is no question about that. So I do the same exercise, my writing is the same. So we created the happy body to be the 30 minutes that people could have that 30 minutes, devote this 30 minutes, and the 30 minutes that would repeat itself, and it would not be so hard anymore, and become an easy life. And in those 30 minutes, we try to practice everything that would be needed for a good life. Flexibility, strength, mindfulness, meditation, good posture, all of it. And that's what the happy body is, and you do 30 minutes, and if you do it in half a year, in three months, really, the body loves it, feels better. better in about half a year, a lot better in one year. It's like the body plays the music, the same music, and improves itself because of that. So that was a journey that was very interactive between psychology, philosophy, and the physical sarcopenia, aging, and dealing with it. And dealing with it in the hard choice idea that we need to get better. And in order to get better, the hard choices appear.
And they don't appear when we don't want to get better. They just go on.
Aneta Ardelian Kuzma (18:34.988)
Yeah, I'm so curious. I love that you talked about all that. I absolutely am obsessed with my morning routines. I'm obsessed with all the things that, for me, many of the things you mentioned, if I don't feel good, I don't have a great day. People around me can tell. But did you already have all these practices as part of your own daily routines, or did you notice, oh, my clients are suffering? Let's try this. Let's try that. And then suddenly the program ran overtime.
Jerzy Gregorek (19:07.325)
It happened because of the challenges. It didn't happen mentally that I created those things. No, it happened because the challenge was there. And since you know, the beginning, first of all, when I was a fireman, I really liked solutions and how to deal with the fire and how to fight the fire. And it was
immediate, and it was in the moment. And I usually like this reactive and also delayed gratification. When I coach people, I always have this progress in my brain that we have to go somewhere, and I have to build something. There has to be an athletic way that you have to get better, and where is the end of it? The of it is, you know, of course, the World Championship. Are there numbers there? In some sports, you have numbers, and in other sports, you don't have numbers because there are only games or no numbers. In athletics like track and field, all numbers, right? In weightlifting, all numbers. But in wrestling, there are no numbers. is a human being that you work with, so it's really harder is more vague, and you don't know where you are. I like boxing and wrestling And in games, the same world. the same. Yeah, so it's a challenge that creates the journey, and if the challenge is there and if you create something that you want and you want really
badly. It should be something for years to achieve, and not really in three months, but in five years. You want to become a lawyer, and you're not. So it will take a while. You want to go to the Olympics or be an artist. It usually takes five to ten years. But you know, Michael said, you know, the Olympics are
it's a flicker of a horizon, it's not a fire. So it's telling me that I should enjoy life. And when I actually create this Olympics, there is life around, there should be fun, there should be joy, and I should learn how to progress, how to get this 10 % compound interest with the micro-progression and pleasure and the joy and the fun.
Otherwise, it's so hard, and we break.
Aneta Ardelian Kuzma (22:05.068)
Yeah, we don't do it. And that's why I love that the program you set is 30 minutes a day, and you show up consistently, and over time, you're going to start to notice progress. And tell me, like, give us a high level for folks that are curious, because I think in our society, so many people are looking for a quick fix. They want immediate results. They'll do it. I knew it didn't work, and then they started all over again. But how many people have gone through your program, would you say, since you started it? An estimate.
Jerzy Gregorek (22:38.738)
A thousand?
Aneta Ardelian Kuzma (22:40.204)
Yeah, at least a thousand, right? And you have some hundred, hundred thousand. have a lot of people. Like I said, I listened to Tim Ferriss's interview with you, which was so interesting. I don't know why he called you Victor for a while, but that's a story for another time.
Jerzy Gregorek (22:43.146)
100,000, 100,000. Yes.
Jerzy Gregorek (22:58.09)
Yeah, it's a different story, but you know, it's very interesting diplomacy, or it's interesting.
Aneta Ardelian Kuzma (23:06.132)
Yeah. But you created the program, and so many people have gone through it right now. And if for folks that are listening and they're not actually watching this, I would say you look amazing. You look super vibrant. You look very healthy. So you can tell that you are doing what you are teaching people to do. And I'm not going to ask you about all your records, but I do think people can look it up. But tell us folks that are
Aneta Ardelian Kuzma (23:32.67)
maybe feel like they've let themselves go, or they haven't made the investment in themselves holistically. What would you tell someone if maybe they're in their midlife and they're unhealthy right now, or not mobile or not flexible? What would you say to get them encouraged, maybe to start your program?
Jerzy Gregorek (23:53.066)
Well, away from variety. Variety is something that is good for entertainment, but it is not good for our aging or for helping ourselves with aging. Aging is tough. It's a very destructive force. So if you are more than 35, you're already experiencing the symptoms and signs.
And to actually deal with aging requires plans, strategies, and consistency, and doing the same thing over and over. Why the same? Because the body is breaking, it is getting worse. It's very difficult for the body to gain muscle. Actually, the body loses muscle. The muscles get tight, and the tightness leads to inflammation and problems with
you know, tightness and pains. And once the pain sets up in the body, then the painkillers, right, are fixing. We go to chiropractors, we go to masseurs, we go to acupuncturists, but it's only for temporary relief. We have to learn learn how to build the lifestyle that creates us.
Not the fixing, but the lifestyle that creates us. So that lifestyle, if you imagine all the athletes different, like pole vaulters and sprinters and swimmers, then you see the lifestyle of the athletes, and they all are awesome. right? They just do one thing, they become this because of pursuing one thing, there is no variety
in a ball volter or a football player or a baseball player. They play over and over the same, and the hard choices are coming very fast, and when the hard choice comes in, it's hard to progress, and we get the plateaus, and so on. And when people didn't have this athletic background, then they just gave up and switched to something else. And at the beginning of something else, there is progress very fast. And then there is no progress. And then there is disappointment, and then switching to something else. So the message is very clear. If you want to really get better and improve yourself, just pick up one thing. If it's climbing the mountain, climbing the mountain. If it's swimming,
Swimming, become a swimmer. If it's running, become the runner. Then, if the football, the football. Right, weightlifting is weightlifting. But really treat it as serious, something that you want to become better at, find the mentors, find the coaches to get better, and pursue it. So the happy body then becomes like an internal massage for athletes. So when athletes are training their skills, they do on the one round. The body is happy after the training takes about 15 minutes to test the body, whether the body needs attention. When something, there is soreness in the body, there is tightness in the body, there is pain, and there is something that is accumulating. So you can
release it. So when I do Olympic weightlifting, I do a happy body, one round only takes me about 10-15 minutes, and sometimes I find some things like that when I was training, but it's not showing yet in my brain. So it's accumulating, but I can release that. So it's a really awesome detector, and despite what your sport is.
You still need the happy body. If you don't have the sport, then you treat the happy body as your sport. And that becomes, you know, everything that you want. This is your music of the day. And you play the same music, the same music, and become better at playing like, you know, Chopin, you know, like you go to Warsaw and you play this piece of music and that you play that piece of music for 20 years and you become so awesome.
Jerzy Gregorek (28:46.663)
You can imagine that you can do the happy body and you play the same piece of music every day. After 20 years, you are incredible. The body becomes this instrument that is incredible as well. And then, you know, one thing more is that if you are 90 and you wake up in the morning, it would be a lot easier to do something that you are really great at and you are familiar with, right?
So when you do the happy body, probably when you are 90, I am 71, so what, but when you are 90, when I am 90, I will be doing kind of the same thing, right? because it's based on familiarity and not only familiarity, but also the excellence of your level of performance. So, and then if you are...
Really, you have this excellence, and you have this flexibility and everything else. It asks for the agility of life, and when you face life, life is asking you very little. Compared to who you are and what your body is capable of. Like I am 71, but I don't feel like there is anything that I cannot do. It's like if I want to surf, then I will do surfing. If I want to ski, I will do skiing.
In the same way, I was 20 years old. Why? Because the body's capabilities are still a lot more than an average 20-year-old has without any training.
Aneta Ardelian Kuzma (30:24.44)
Yeah, it's incredible because you're so much. I've seen your YouTube videos. I mean, you are lifting while you are on one of those boards that moves, I'm like, okay. So there's so much flexibility and strength and balance and everything. So, what have you noticed that you've adjusted yourself as you have aged?
Jerzy Gregorek (30:40.014)
I love that.
Aneta Ardelian Kuzma (30:52.522)
Because I think a lot of us are looking to go into our later years and later decades feeling good, looking good, but also having the mobility, having the longevity, being able to enjoy ourselves and continue to do the things like you said, if we want to surf, we want to ski, if we want to travel instead of sitting in a chair all day, what are some of the things you've done to your own personal plan to adjust for that?
Jerzy Gregorek (31:18.226)
So The one thing that we see as athletes is that we lose the strength and mobility, but agility stays the same. We can have it. We can be 90 years old or a hundred years old and not lose the flexibility. So, we don't lose it. We also don't lose the speed.
Aneta Ardelian Kuzma (31:21.43)
See you.
Jerzy Gregorek (31:46.705)
And when you compete on a high level, yes, you know, when you are a sprinter, you will lose the speed as well because you're losing the strength. strength. But the quality, the difference between those who don't train and those who train is humongous. It's the difference between lifting 100 pounds and lifting 300 pounds. So like a 200% and then when you deteriorate, in like
you still can be 80 years old and 90 years old and fantastic. Why is it so? Because the body is still capable through the aging and noticing how my body deteriorates, it's really, you know, it does. And every five years, there is a drop and drop and drop.
But where is the drop? The drop, The major drop is in the strength that I lived less and less and less. Still, I lived a lot, right, compared to... So should my... If you are 71 years old, and I am 71 years old, but I'm just world-class. So my 71-year-old, when a 71-year-old comes to me,
He looks like my father. He looks broken. And when he finds out that we are the same age, it's shocking. It's very inspiring and motivating for people when they see it in reality that it's possible. And that it's easier to accept, and it's easier to commit. I have to say that I...
For me, education is a major part of helping people. So to accept the why. Why do we do what we do? And it's like a famous saying, if you know your why, then you can bear with anything. And that's true. It's... If you really understand the aging from the perspective of education and science. And then it's easier to say, okay, well, you know, yeah, it's happening to me. So, can I do anything about this? Yes. Let's say you start with the happy body and keep going, progressing and educating yourself more and more. Education is a crucial element. And the art is also an element because it works with our emotions, emotional intelligence, and mental health and capabilities, actually, to deliver what we want in life.
Aneta Ardelian Kuzma (34:59.198)
So true. And I'm also curious about how it came to be that you started writing poetry, especially poetry around food and eating. Did you always know that you were an author and that you had this creativity within you? Because you've written three books by now? Yeah.
Jerzy Gregorek (35:17.67)
Yes, well, we translated about seven books of poetry, Polish poets and Jewish poets, but Jewish poets who wrote in the Polish language. But poetry was interesting because it's another story, right? But you know, if it's not an idea, there is a story. So when I went to Sweden...
Aneta Ardelian Kuzma (35:25.76)
Wow.
Jerzy Gregorek (35:48.192)
After being underground and exposed to solidarity members. I lost everything in 81, my career, my love to be a fireman. And then I was underground, but then I gained a lot. My goosebumps are coming. So, you know, I became, you know, friends with Jersey Popiuszko, and then they hurt and other members of Solidarity, who had something that I've never seen. They had unconditional love. And I was a scientist, and I thought that, you know, these people were always fake, this idea, the idea of unconditional love. It doesn't exist. They are just, you know, people who fake it.
So when I lost everything, these kinds of people came because the strike happened, and these people came, and I looked, and I saw that it's true. true. And I flipped, I flipped into something that I was not aware of, but I flipped into becoming slowly that unconditional love.
And when I went to Sweden, what really happened there was that I started helping people, the Polish people who were there in Stockholm, who were divided from families and solidarity members who were there. And I started seeing people, and as they started calling me a village press. And then I was really good at helping people.
I was not a psychologist, but there was this psychologist I helped as well. She was from Warsaw, Vanda Sarek. And then she said that she's going to open a clinic in Stockholm for me, that I need to do what I do. She will watch it, and she will try to learn why what I do works and why it helps people.
So I said, no, I'm not staying in Sweden. I'm going to the US, and that is my drive, and that is my direction. And she said, so, if you go there, then you have to write. I said, what do you mean write? And then she said, because what you do needs to be written, needs to be passed on.
So I said, how do how do I write? I've never written anything. And I'm 30 years old. And then she said, just go home, take a pen, take the piece of paper, and start writing. I said, okay. So I went home and whatever I wrote, whatever I wrote was a poem.
I couldn't write in a normal language. It was a poem on a page. And one after another, I spoke with them in poems. I go back in time when I'm looking. poems. So poetry became really my drive, my life. And
I entered Vermont College and studied MFA in creative writing. We focused on poetry in 1996, graduated in 1998, and pursued writing poetry. And I was slowly becoming a poet, but not a poet who would write poems with a purpose. So I always was
Jerzy Gregorek (40:27.623)
fascinating with a poem that would have a purpose that could be written that way, and still be a poem and not something that is viewed as not a poem by the poets. So when I look at my clients who suffered because of their emotional incapacity to control themselves to do what they needed to do.
I saw suffering, and I said to myself, if there is suffering, there is poetry. And started writing. All right, goes bums again. So in writing, I started writing poems, addressing these different problems and issues. And poem by poem, the book was created. And it took about four years. That was a journey with the Book of Poetry that was mostly about food and the relationship to food control, and how to actually do that.
Aneta Ardelian Kuzma (41:56.3)
And what is the title of that book, the Book of Poetry?
Jerzy Gregorek (42:00.207)
Let me see. Maybe you need a poem. can't do it. Food For Your Soul.
Aneta Ardelian Kuzma (42:04.375)
I think we, yeah. Food for your soul, yeah. It's amazing that you, what I've observed with you today is that every time there was a moment where life was giving you unity to show up, to learn a lesson, to experience something, as you were thinking about it, you got the goosebumps, right? Because it's true. Like when we feel these things, we remember as if it's happening again for the very first time. It's true. And when you said that, you became unconditional love because you experienced it from others. That was so touching to me. And it's not surprising that that's when your creativity opened up, and you started writing poetry. Who knew? You know, because that is writing from your soul, from your essence.
Jerzy Gregorek (42:53.646)
Right, then, you know, going to school helps with the craft. And interestingly, when the Happy Body was published in 2009, people started really asking for research. Where is the research? Where is the research? And I said, that's the research, right? But I didn't understand the research idea.
When my daughter was three years old, she went to college. Then I told Aniela what we are going to do with ourselves. And said, well, maybe we should do a PhD. So we both entered a PhD program and for four years. So, not at least four years out, we are in tenets, we'll get crazy here, what to do, right?
So we both started a PhD program in Mind-Body Medicine at Saybrook University. After two years, I shifted to Humanistic Psychology. I really love positive psychology, and I am more aligned with that. And I really love it. And then the specialization is in creativity, innovation, and leadership.
But yeah, coming back to the poetry. So I will tell you only one story and then one poem, will read it to you. I am in San Francisco, and I teach the class, the happy body class, and there is a nurse, and the nurse says that she has two jobs and she doesn't have time to do the happy body. So I'm driving home, and I'm thinking about that. It's like it somehow is not right in my brain that we cannot have 30 minutes on something that actually can help us to get better in life, you know, and so why don't we have these 30 minutes? And then I arrived home, I went to the meditation room, spent four hours meditating, and wrote a poem. So I'm going to read it to you.
And then I will tell you what the story was after I went back. So the poem, the title is, Who Cannot?
Who cannot?
Every night when I wake up, I walk to the kitchen, and every morning, there is still food on my face. How can I stop myself?
His coach fought for a moment and then told him, think about all those people who stopped themselves from owning and killing and having fun because they finally saw how others suffered. Without them, we would still have slaves, the Holocaust, and a world just for men. Becoming a man like that is your only chance because there is no one else to force you.
Jerzy Gregorek (46:29.967)
Don't you expect too much from me? Do you really believe I can be a man like that? Who cannot?
Aneta Ardelian Kuzma (46:41.663)
Wow, that's so beautiful. Thank you so much, Jerzy I could feel that all the way to my soul. If people want to work with you, they want to find your books, they want to learn more about your program, which I think everybody should learn more about the happy body. What is the best way that they can find you the easiest way?
Jerzy Gregorek (46:43.875)
Thank you. I will say it in a moment, but I want to do closure about the poem. I went to San Francisco, I read it, and everybody talks about this poem and the perspective and understanding. And that nurse said, I will never say to my children, I cannot. And I, because of this poem, saw my life.
And also I saw that I watch TV, that I waste my time, and I didn't know that. And my kids were asking me about it, and I was telling them that I didn't have time, I was busy, and I was watching TV. And she said, well, I thank you for the poem. I really understood where my problem was, and now I will have my 30 minutes to do the Happy Body. So, coming back to where people can find out about the Happy Body, there is the Happy Body webpage, of course. There you can buy the books, you can engage in classes that I organize, but I see that people need some kind of consistency, some kind of they can come, let's say, daily somewhere, and if they need to do the workout with somebody, that is the happy body, that is needed. So I'm going to start in January.
The routine that I will repeat that routine every day and that will be 9 am pacific time and people can drop in, can buy the subscription but I will be doing the happy body as I do the happy body and I will be doing this every day the routine and why do people really feel like they are lonely they are doing just the happy body and they are bored or something
They can always drop in and enjoy being together and do the routine there.
Aneta Ardelian Kuzma (49:36.783)
That is so perfect. I think I need that as well. It's, it's so nice to know that you are offering this and that people, not just in California, could take advantage of it. Jerzy, starting back to where we came back to where we started, you know, you talked about how your early days were filled with darkness, but I would say just spending time with you, you are so full of light and so full of love. And so I just want to say thank you for all the
beauty and the goodness and everything that you do in this world, and you just live your life with such integrity, and I love everything that you stand for. So we'll include all the show notes, of course, all the links in the show notes. And I'm just so grateful that you spent some time with me. I do have a final question, which is, what does it mean to you to live the width of your life?
Jerzy Gregorek (50:27.589)
So, you know, I like to grow. know, for me, you know, the purpose of life is to create. And the creation is, and when we create and create, the creation doesn't happen that we are actually better and better. It spreads itself to create the quantum leap. So this is the width building up.
building up something that takes sometimes years, and then boom, and then we go to another level. And when we get to another level, the width is again building up. So that's how I understand the width, that is, the main support, the fundamentals, the repeating over and over something, accumulation.
and enough time to pass, and all the width supporting that capability, that eventually we reach the quantum level.
Aneta Ardelian Kuzma (51:39.31)
That is so beautiful. I love it. Thank you so much for your time.
Jerzy Gregorek (51:40.773)
I love it. Thank you.
Jerzy Gregorek (51:47.231)
Thank you, Anata. It was a pleasure. It was fun. As we said, you know, at the beginning, yeah, well, to have fun is, is like our, should be our way of life, that without fun, you know, we should really look for the fun, right? So if it's not fun, it slows down everything, slow down, and then find what the fun is. And if we can do that, then I think this is our success in life.
Aneta Ardelian Kuzma (52:22.602)
I agree. Thank you so much. I've had so much fun with you.
Jerzy Gregorek (52:26.874)
Thank you, Aneta Pleasure.