Episode 145 transcript: Touch of Faith: When Desperation Meets Divine Healing (Chapter 4 Preview of Lanters of Light with Adriana Bisorca)
[00:00:00] Adriana: It's hard for us to build that trust and the faith and believe in ourselves. Sometimes it's so much easier to believe in your kids, even in your pets, than to believe in yourself. And the story touched me deeply, and I truly believe that and whenever I'm going to read and every woman and men, we are going relate to it. Every chapter in our life doesn't matter, where you are.
[00:00:23] Aneta: We often hear people wishing us a long, happy, and healthy life, but what if the length isn't what matters most? What if instead, it's the breath depth and purpose of each day that matters most? Welcome to the Live the Width of Your Life podcast. My name is Aneta Ardelian Kuzma, and join me weekly as I interview guests who have made changes in their own lives to live more fully with intention, gratitude, and joy. Be prepared to be inspired by their stories of how they shifted their mindset, took courageous action, and designed the life that they always wanted to live.
[00:00:58] Welcome back to Live the Width of Your Life podcast. I am so grateful that you are here, and today's episode is an interesting and special one for me. I talked to my friend Adriana Bisorca, and we talked about one of the chapters in my upcoming book, Lanterns of Light. This one is talking all about faith activation, and I'm excited to be bringing these shorter podcast episodes to you.
[00:01:24] This gives you a little bit of a glimpse into the book and has you hear from early readers their impressions and thoughts about the chapter that I have shared with them. I am excited about the conversation that we had, and I hope you are as well. Take a listen.
[00:01:40] Adriana, welcome back to the podcast. This is your second time.
[00:01:45] Adriana: Thank you for having me. Yes, it is my second time. Wow. It feels like two years since we did it.
[00:01:51] Aneta: I know it was, I think it was probably like at least a year and a half, two years. And since then, I was just thinking back on our relationship, just how grateful I am that we met in the Life Mastermind, and as soon as I saw your name, I'm like, here's a fellow Romanian. I'm so excited. I need to meet her. And I'm just so grateful for your friendship.
[00:02:13] Adriana: Likewise. I truly love you, and I'm so grateful to have this relationship that's deep and beautiful, and honest. And we expand every single time, both of us. When we get together, even virtually like this?
[00:02:27] Aneta: Yes. You were the first person that I sent a chapter to. So when I started writing this book, I think you might have been one of the first people that I talked about the book with, and because those who have heard the solo episode know that I heard the call to write this book in November of 2023.
[00:02:45] And now with this recording, we're in June of 2025. And it took me a while to get to a place of feeling comfortable finishing the book, and now starting to talk about it. And the book that, the chapter that I sent to you, I wrote a chapter. I thought I was going to write 33 chapters, and then there were two that came to me in a dream.
[00:03:07] And when I looked back and I was looking with my editor, I said, I don't think I want to cut any of these chapters. I think they're supposed to be here. And the one that I sent to you came to me in a dream, and it's chapter four of the book. So it's still in the first section, and it's titled Touch of Faith When Desperation Meets Divine Healing.
[00:03:29] And the verse is from Luke chapter 8:48. And it says, Then he said, Daughter, your faith has healed you, go in peace. And just to give you the backdrop of this story, I had a dream that in my dream, and this sounds a little graphic, that I had like a bleeding issue.
[00:03:47] I was bleeding from my womb, and in my dream, I woke up in the middle of the night, it was like 3:00 AM, and I started journaling because I was like, why did I have this dream? It was overwhelming. I felt so much shame. And it was so vivid. As I was journaling about me having this dream that I was bleeding from my womb in a bathroom, I didn't know how to stop, like I was bleeding through my clothes, and people could see it.
[00:04:11] And then when I was journaling, I heard. Tell her story, and I remembered the story of the woman in the Bible. She's not even given a name, who had a bleeding disorder for years, and she tried everything that she could to heal herself. And then she heard that Jesus was in town and that he was healing people.
[00:04:33] The story in the book of Luke starts, Jesus feeling his energy leave his body. He feels like something has happened, and he asks his disciples who touched me, and he's surrounded by people in the crowds, and his disciples are like, look around you, everyone's bumping into us, and he said, no, somebody touched me.
[00:04:54] And then this woman falls at his feet and says in his eyes, and like she's ashamed that she did this. And she said, but I knew that if I touched the hem of your robe, of your garment, that I would be healed. And that's where the story is. And then Jesus says, Get up, my daughter, by your faith, you've been healed.
[00:05:13] I wanted you to read this because I thought that you, for some reason, intuitively, I was like, I want Adriana to read this chapter because I thought she would appreciate it or understand it in a certain way. Tell me, when you got this chapter, what did you feel? What did you notice? And had you ever even heard the story before? Maybe you heard it in the past?
[00:05:34] Adriana: No, I haven't. And for me, it was like really raw because it came into your dream, and it was so vivid. I can feel it right now in my energy because I can feel my energy in my arms. It was raw and true, and I believe we as women, it's even harder for us to be our truest selves and to deeply believe that we can achieve just by faith, even though I put just.
[00:06:00] It's such a big thing for us, but just by faith, knowing that I don't need to be like she believed that I'm just going to be there. And the fact that the energy from Jesus comes up out from his body, that the power that we have inside of us when we truly, deeply, don't care about anything else.
[00:06:21] It's like you are out, you zoom in, and you're just believing fully in your body, and then it just happens. Just like that, but that touched me so deeply. I know myself as a girl every time, when I connect more with Jesus, I connect with God a lot through you, because it's different.
[00:06:41] It's like pure, peaceful, and I love it. And then it's powerful, and you know that. But then, when I connect with Jesus, it's like childish energy in a way for me. But this one was like the child who's hurt. As a little girl, because you're not seen or you're not understood, and then it's hard for us to build that trust and the faith and believe in ourselves.
[00:07:02] Sometimes it's so much easier to believe in your kids, even in your pets, than to believe in yourself. And the story touched me deeply, and I truly believe that whenever I'm going to read and every woman and man, because we will. This book is so powerful, and we are going to relate to it. Every chapter in our life doesn't matter, where you are.
[00:07:25] Let's say you start now like a family or a business, or you have ups and downs in your life, you're going to find yourself there thinking. If I let it all go out of my body and I'm just focusing on my faith and in the connection that I have with God, you can call it whatever you desire to call it.
[00:07:44] But it is insight because that life force, the divine, it's all around us. And this, I believe, nobody can say, no, only if you don't want to feel it, in my opinion, in my humble opinion. But when you want to feel it and you get in the body, and the fact that she went so many years with the bleeding, knowing that she couldn't be with her husband, she couldn't go to the church like people looking up to her. She has something, and we, all of us, felt at some point that this way doesn't matter. It's not the bleeding, it's just, quote unquote, like you felt this way. And then to have that faith and go and just trust, it's such a liberation. It's such a beauty.
[00:08:24] Aneta: There are so many layers of the story that are so powerful. If we just allow ourselves to believe that these are real people, whether we believe it or not. If you allow yourself to believe these are real people, and this woman had a bleeding issue for 12 years.
[00:08:40] And like you said, Adriana, that meant that she was unclean. So she was unable to touch other people or they'd become unclean. She was unable to go to the temple to worship because women were not considered clean when they were on their cycle. And so all of the things and the ways that her life was impacted, and even for her to come out into the crowds knowing that she had this, I want to say disease, but or ailment or predicament like that in and of itself would not have been allowed.
[00:09:10] And so for Jesus, first of all, to call her daughter and ask her to stand up and to say, by your faith, you have been healed like that, first of all, is just. It was so beautiful because he didn't scold her. He didn't reprimand her. He used her as an example, and we don't know her name, like we don't know her name, and she still is a story that is here for us because it was so powerful that she didn't even want to wait for him to lay his hands on her. But she just said, I know that if I touch the hem of your robe that I would be healed.
[00:09:46] So it was by her own belief? That it was, her faith was activated. It was her action that she took, that on that belief, that allowed the power to happen. In the Bible, the story says she was healed. And so you imagine someone dealing with something for so many years, and an instant knowing that because she took the action, she was probably terrified, was scared, was probably worried about getting caught, all those things.
[00:10:14] And yet she still did it. And so why do we have such a hard time sometimes believing in faith? Why is it so hard for us to have faith like this in modern-day times? Because I know I don't have faith like this most days. Most days, I'm trying to control things myself. So why do you think we have a hard time allowing that faith to be activated in this way?
[00:10:37] Adriana: I'm going to go back to when I was a little kid going to church, because my family, like right now, I don't go often, but I believe in God. I believe that I can say a prayer in my car. And I'm going to make the sign of the cross in my car or on the street, and I'm protected and I'm good. But I remember like the layers that you have as a kid going to church, and even for us wasn't that bad, to be honest, but still like it is a little girl. Don't do that. Be kind. Be good.
[00:11:06] So we have so many layers, like an onion. And you build that down so you get to the core of the onion, because it's hard for us. You say, I want to have faith. And maybe you build that trust inside of you, but then you go out and you meet a friend or you meet a neighbor, or you have a conversation with somebody, and then they are like, oh no, it's not working. It's not true. Try this, control that. And yes, I am a control freak in a way, too. It's hard for us. It is a discussion.
[00:11:33] This is why I love this book, and I know that it's for you because there are topics. There are hard but so needed and what we can do and what you can do when you put this book into the world, when you bring it just to have that faith and hope that they will take whatever, each one of us, we will take whatever we need at the level or wherever we are in our life in that moment.
[00:11:59] Aneta: Yeah. I wanted to read something, and this is part of the chapter of this book. And the way the book is structured is there's a verse, a scripture verse, and then there's a little bit of why this matters to me. In this case, I had it in a dream historical context, explaining, so if you don't have the historical context, that's okay.
[00:12:19] And then I go deeper into, in my mind, how I was processing, like what this meant to us. And so I have this one section in this chapter, and it's called When Desperation Meets Faith. And so I just wanted to read this and said there's something transformative that happens at the intersection of desperation and faith.
[00:12:39] This woman had exhausted every option. She had spent her last penny on doctors and treatments, and nothing had helped. She stood at the absolute end of her resources. Her options and herself, and it was precisely at that moment of complete surrender that her faith changed everything. I've witnessed this pattern repeatedly in my journey when I've tried everything within my power, when I've exhausted my wisdom and resources, when I've reached the end of myself.
[00:13:09] And that's often when faith rises more strongly. It's as if desperation strips away all of the other options and leaves faith as the only way forward. This woman's act of reaching for Jesus's garment wasn't just a random gesture; it was a profound act of faith born from deepest desperation. She believed that just touching the hem would be enough.
[00:13:33] She didn't need a formal healing ceremony or even his conscious attention. Just one touch she believed would change everything, and it did. And I think that might be, I don't know why I do this to myself, and I don't know if you relate to this, but sometimes. It's when I try to exhaust everything on my own and say there's nothing left that I can do, then I finally turn to God and say, okay, I need your help, but I don't go there initially. So I don't know if you also find that sometimes we still try to control things on our own.
[00:14:09] Adriana: Yes. I remember, so I'm going to share something from my family. Growing up, we had many troubles, many times. And in Romania, back in the communist era, it wasn't easy. That's the truth. And I remember that at the end, when we didn't have anything, we didn't know where to go.
[00:14:29] We tried left and right. We are like, God, help me. And we did this so many times, and when I became an adult later on, I realized why I'm always, or we as a family, went to God as our last resort. Why not from the beginning? Because we tend to control, we as humans try and we struggle, and we, I'm going to do it.
[00:14:53] I still do this to this day, so I'm going to just put that there. But I'm learning more and more to surrender. My word for this year is surrender. To learn to trust God and to feel it and make things in a way, not so serious. Don't take it so seriously. Let it guide the way or whatever you believe in, let it let your energy. Let life, let God universe guide the way for you so you can be here present and happy.
[00:15:21] I know it's not easy, I know, but the more we release a little bit and a little bit and surrender a little bit more, I trust, and then you start trusting.
[00:15:31] But at the beginning, that trust it's so unfamiliar. You need to ground yourself. And Aneta is so good with this. So if you know her or you are in one of her programs or in her retreat that's coming this year in Morocco, you will feel like that steadiness, because we need to bring ourselves back here.
[00:15:54] As humans, sometimes it's hard to just let everything the control, but then when you come to the present moment and you're grounded, it's like maybe just a little bit of an opening where you allow yourself to just rest in what it is in that moment. And then God is, I can feel it, comes to me. I'm going to show you there. I'm going to hold your hand, I'm going to show you where to go or what to do, or just be here now, and you don't have to do anything.
[00:16:19] Aneta: Yeah, I love that. And I think even spending so much time in the self-help space, we were taught to just rely on ourselves, do all these things. And I think that I see so many people coming back to their faith and to trusting God in a way that maybe we haven't for a while, where it's like you don't have to do all that on your own. We're not designed to have to figure this out on our own. And we have that connection that we can have at all times, but we sometimes, like a little kid who says, I can do it.
[00:16:52] If you're a parent, and you know this, my youngest was like this all the time. She always wanted to do everything on her own. And you just sit there and you watch and you make sure they don't hurt themselves, and then you wait patiently. And when they finally have exhausted themselves, you say, okay.
[00:17:05] Let me help you. And I think, like I always have, a picture of God doing the same thing with us. It's like no matter how old I get, he's waiting patiently. And then finally I'm like, okay, I give up. Yeah, I need your help. I surrender, as you said. And then God's okay, I'm here. I'm able to help you. And that's why I love this story, that this woman was like.
[00:17:25] I've exhausted all my options, and I'm going to go and do this instead. In these chapters, I have ways for us to experience the lessons of each of the chapters. So there's a journal prompt, and those of you who know I love to journal. And so for me, I love being able to open the journaling as a way to go deeper.
[00:17:45] But then I also added embodiment exercises in these book too, just because for some people it's more powerful to be able to go through and to experience like what it feels like to touch the garment in this case, for example, and to imagine whatever it is that we need help from to find ourselves in that moment of surrender to be able to do that. How did you feel about the exercises at the end of the chapter?
[00:18:10] Adriana: I love the one with the embodiment. Yeah, I love it. I truly believe that if you feel in your body, it makes so much difference because the mind can take you so far. But when you get in the body and you put that exercise, so touch something, take like something that you have a clothing or something because it gives you a sense and a feeling of support that somebody there to hold you and we all need that doesn't matter how small like little kid you are or an adult or whatever it is.
[00:18:39] It's the same because you go back when you have a problem or challenge, you go back being a little kid because probably the inner child is activated on this side of you, and you just want to feel something and feel that support. I believe that's genius, the exercise of embodiment. Because if you allow yourself and this book will challenge us each and one of us, and this is why I believe it's an extraordinary book, because it will challenge you to go more deeper in your body and in your being in your soul to trust and let go a little bit of the layers and let go a little bit more and soften the heart and soften everything that's surround you, your identity. But when you have something to touch, it's different because it's, I can be here now, and I love that. That's good.
[00:19:28] Aneta: Yeah, I know. And you do such an amazing job when you are doing your energetic work on us, and just really helping us to drop into the body and to feel the energy. And I think this is an interesting space, like when I wrote this book, it's not a traditional devotional. It didn't come to me that way. It came to me that this should be something that everyone, regardless of what their faith is currently, can read. And to take a lesson and wisdom from it.
[00:19:57] Because I do believe that the word is so alive, and many people haven't read scripture. They haven't read the entire Bible. And yet, my hope and I intend that people can read it. Still take something and apply it to their life today. So I wanted to get your take on what that experience reading the scripture was, because when I first told you about it, I'm sure you didn't know what it was going to look like, and what was your experience when you first got the chapter?
[00:20:24] Adriana: So I want to say that I haven't read the Bible, and I can attest that this book is not about religion. If somebody is afraid of that. In whatever way. I just want to say that for me, it was like really raw. It was like a part of you that I felt, because it came in your dream, and because I can feel the energy, an intuitive channel as well.
[00:20:43] So it is easier for me in a way, but I could feel the truth, the authenticity, and the rawness of the experience in your body. And that for me, that's not something that you can cheat in any way, because it is through your body to your feelings, through your being, and the book is, we all need it.
[00:21:03] You can call God whatever you want to call it. I love to call it God because it makes me feel like of can be a father figure for me. It is probably not for others. But it makes me feel at home like me. I don't know how to explain that. And I love the fact that it's so relatable.
[00:21:22] It is about us. This is why I love that you said that they didn't give the woman a name, because it's every one of us. I can feel it in my body. I truly believe that. And this is a book that you want to always go over. Like you're going to go in our lives and have, again, like a situation, a challenge, and you go over and you read the chapter, and then you feel it.
[00:21:43] It's time for us to open more and allow ourselves to feel and to be present. I'm just going to say that. I'm speaking my mind all the time, but this is the truth. I truly believe that, and I know when you start speaking about the book, I was so excited because when you share your soul and when you share what's important for you and what you went through.
[00:22:05] The people cannot connect in a way that you are going to relate to. You're going to relate to every chapter. It's a piece of you and me and everyone in every chapter because it comes from your being. And this is the most beautiful thing. You can share.
[00:22:21] Aneta: And it's so interesting because, so in my journal entry, when I woke up from the dream and I talked about the story and I realized, oh, I'm supposed to include this in the book, I just want to read what I wrote at the end.
[00:22:34] And I said How interesting that the story is in the gospels. And yet the woman has no name. We don't know who she is yet, her story was so significant that I'm writing about it today, over 2000 years later, her story lives so that we can learn from it. Why did I have this dream? I think it's because I feel like I've been searching for healing, for spirituality, for a way of creating and manifesting outside of God.
[00:23:03] And I've lost my way a bit. Maybe I was lukewarm in my faith and had lost some of my saltiness, and now I'm so on fire for God. And so in love with Jesus, and it just was, like this moment of like. How cool that the story was there and that I remembered it, and that I get to still talk about her story. That's amazing. And there are so many instances of that, and yet there's still a lesson here for us today in terms of faith.
[00:23:35] Adriana: Yeah. And you know what came to mind when you said this chapter in itself. Just this chapter, because you have so many...
[00:23:42] Aneta: It's just this chapter.
[00:23:43] Adriana: Yeah. Just this one. We can take it like in little workshops, and you're going to see women who need to have faith in maybe having a baby, maybe healing something. As you said, like maybe was a journey for you to heal and to come back to your spirituality, to God and Jesus. Yeah, and this is so powerful.
[00:24:02] And it's an honor for me that you wrote this book, and we can share it and speak about it because it is time. I'm going to say again, to get to know each other more and to know ourselves more, and to be more connected and to come together. We, as women, but also with men, the men in our lives, to just enjoy those stories and the depth of them, and then heal just by being in the company of others. They truly believe that and feel that it will open so many minds and doors. This is what came to mind for sure, because it is written with heart and truth, and authenticity. Yeah.
[00:24:42] Aneta: Thank you, Adriana. And I just love, as I'm sharing these chapters, to have conversations with others because we each feel intuitively something else. We each have a message or a learning can read the same thing and also have our interpretation of it. So with me, I think one of the reasons I was so scared to write this book was because I'm not a theologian, I'm not an academic, I'm not a pastor, I'm not a rabbi, any of these things, and yet I don't believe that the Bible was left and any scripture was left just for people in power.
[00:25:16] It was left for all of us to be able to leverage the Holy Spirit to say, This is what it means to me. This is what my understanding of it is, my discernment, and this is what I can take from it. And so I hope that through the creation of this book, as people read it, they embark on their journey, or they continue to go deeper in their journey.
[00:25:39] In a way that feels right just for them with their creator and their maker. And that's the intention is it comes through. And I hope that once you get to read the other chapters enjoy them as much as you enjoy this one.
[00:25:53] Adriana: I'm pretty sure. Yeah, I'm sure of that. Because I wanted to say something else. I felt this book was meant for you, first and foremost, because it came to you, and God wanted you to have it. But the fact that I can attest to the fact again, that I feel God through you in such a beautiful way. And when you expand whatever you believe in, that's true for you.
[00:26:18] When it makes you happy and it gives you peace, and you feel like you're expanding, and you feel like you want to do more good in the world and bring this to the people who need it. This is all that you need to know that's inside your body. If you feel that, then put the work out and the people who will feel the same. And I'm pretty sure there will be a lot of them, because we need this even more now in this society. Yeah. More and more. All of us.
[00:26:43] Aneta: Adriana, thank you for being such a bright light. Thank you for reading this chapter and for having this conversation with me. I cannot wait to share the rest of it with you.
[00:26:53] Thank you. All right. I love you. I love you too.
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