How to Recognize Miracles & Trust Divine Guidance: Kimberly Braun on Spiritual Awakening
[00:00:00] Kimberly: It was like Elijah experiencing the whisper of God in the cave and being so certain, but not knowing what that whisper meant. And so, through a little bit of time, about five months later, it revealed itself to me, and it happened in a very dramatic way through a hawk and an inspired text.
And I realized that my next step with the beloved was to leave.
[00:00:26] Aneta: We often hear people wishing us a long, happy, and healthy life, but what if the length isn't what matters most? What if instead, it's the breath depth and purpose of each day that matters most? Welcome to the Live the Width of Your Life podcast. My name is Aneta Ardelian Kuzma, and join me weekly as I interview guests who have made changes in their own lives to live more fully with intention, gratitude, and joy. Be prepared to be inspired by their stories of how they shifted their mindset, took courageous action, and designed the life that they always wanted to live.
Welcome back to Live the With of Your Life podcast. My guest this week is Kimberly Braun, and she's a minister. She's a Reiki master and author, CSP, and meditation coach, and has been devoted to the experience of presence from the age of five, with over 10 of those years spent as a monastic nun. Her master’s in theology was completed in 2001 in Washington, DC, and concentrated on the adult spiritual journey.
Communication through words, written and spoken, has always been a shiny way for Kimberly to be an instrument of inspiration and transformation. She identifies her personal call and mission to inspire others to live from the power and wisdom of the source within them, her style playful, inquiring, intelligent in the synthesis of not only how to access this part of ourselves, but how to live from that place more consistently.
She's a retreat and workshop facilitator, a TEDx speaker, a former meditation faculty at the renowned Omega Institute, and a fellow seeker on the path to living freely. She has three CDs and three books, three online courses, and an online community where she helps other individuals explore their truth. Juicy conversation that we had.
I was so fascinated by her early experience in the monastic order. And then how she took on a divinely orchestrated project of overseeing the creation of a monastery, and really just the outpouring of miracles and blessings that came in that creation within two and a half years. We talked a lot about her book.
Her book is Miracles in the Naked Light. And what inspired her to write it, and just like big concepts of miracles and grace and pulsing consciousness. I loved our conversation, and I think you will as well take a listen.
Kimberly, thank you so much for joining me today. I'm so excited for our conversation.
[00:02:57] Kimberly: I am as well. It's great to be with you.
[00:03:00] Aneta: It's so good to be with you. And I watched your TEDx before our conversation today, and whenever I do that, or I read someone's book, I feel like I know them even before I meet them, which is such a strange thing, but it's actually a gift. And for those who may not know your background can you share just a little bit more about your background?
[00:03:23] Kimberly: Sure. In a nutshell, I would frame my life as being really deeply connected to source and self, and that all the unfoldings of my life are an adventure in discovering myself, in discovering what I would call an eternal source. And with that as an adult, it's taken many different shapes and forms.
I was plunged into a fiery experience of the divine. Back then, I used to use the word God, which is a beautiful word, but I don't use it as much right now. And after five years of a lot of ecstasy and bliss and healing and transformation, I joined a monastery and was living a monastic life as a karma light nun for 10 and a half years, where I was allowed to go even deeper and wider in the understanding and exploration of this life that we are living.
And then, since then, which is coming on, I can't believe it's coming on 24 years. I am seminary-trained. I have my masters in Psychospiritual development, and I have been traveling and leading retreats, giving keynote talks, and writing books. Now, I do several online offerings as well. So very simple, but a lot of different forms, and my language and my formation continue to offer me the opportunity to hear what's truly stirring on the soul level for people and to be at the service of that for them.
[00:05:03] Aneta: So good. When you said that you used to use the word God and you have started to use other words, tell me more about that. What prompted that?
[00:05:15] Kimberly: I love that. Thank you. That's such a great question. So my experience of God, of that word, is 100% beloved. That's my experience from when I was little. That's my framework. That's my positioning or my relational way of referring to that. And what I have found in my own service and ministry is that most of the people I serve are walking away from the way the word of God doesn't serve them.
For opening up to this divine source and to themselves, and so out of respect for the limitations that word has in our culture. I use the word less because I like to use language that evokes an experience for others of opening and not closing.
[00:06:06] Aneta: And was your background then in a Judeo-Christian background originally? Is that how you came to know Source and the Divine?
[00:06:15] Kimberly: Totally. I grew up Catholic. I feel that I grew up in a very blessed environment in Ohio. My mom and dad were part of a charismatic renewal, which means the church was really on fire with gifts of the Spirit. And it was within a sacramental system, which I naturally found Affinity with sacraments is a way of opening up to the mystery of life. So it fit my temperament and my personality, but with that was the formation and the theology that was very much a god oriented theology.
[00:06:50] Aneta: That's so interesting. Where in Ohio? Because I'm in Cleveland.
[00:06:54] Kimberly: Oh, you are, Cincinnati opposite. End.
[00:06:58] Aneta: I went to Miami University down in Oxford, so real close to Cincinnati, and then my youngest went to school at the University of Cincinnati. So yeah, so very familiar with the city there. Interesting.
[00:07:10] Kimberly: Love that.
[00:07:12] Aneta: So tell me about the Karma Light order because I didn't grow up Catholic, so I'm not so familiar with some of these monastic terms.
[00:07:19] Kimberly: It's so true. And if you're listening to this, I'm no longer any denomination. I am no longer Catholic. I can't give my yes to the creed. But within that monastic life is such a rich resource within the Christian tradition. Just like we hear of Buddhist monasteries and Sufi communities, all of these traditions have SECTS within them. SECTS, that are concentrated on the experience of the mystical or the divine, or the eternal and monastic life in the Carmelite order, were started in the 12th century, and it's fascinating.
[00:08:02] Aneta: Wow.
[00:08:03] Kimberly: There was a small group of crusaders who were from England who went over to the holy lands with swords and shields. We're intent on killing people to get the holy land back. And so this is just an example of how much grace is always working. They go into the caves of Mount Carmel, where we have the historic or legendary accounts of Elijah experiencing God toward the end of his life. And in these caves on Mount Carmel, they had an instant illumination. They dropped their swords and shields, and they realized the inanity of what they were doing, and they decided to stay there in those caves and become hermits living in community.
So the whole order is founded under the premise that God's presence is in everything and that we're called to live in that presence and to be that presence. So the Carmelite order is founded for that reason, to provide an environment where we can encounter the unknown, if you will.
[00:09:11] Aneta: Thank you for the background. I had no idea, and it's fascinating. So remind me, how long did you stay in the monastic order, did you say?
[00:09:19] Kimberly: 10 and a half years.
[00:09:21] Aneta: And during that time, you decided at some point to leave. So tell me what was stirring or what was happening in you that you knew that you wanted to leave.
[00:09:34] Kimberly: Sure. And by the way, it will be even better expressed in my next book, which is coming out. So if I give a little snapshot right now, and you're listening.
[00:09:43] Aneta: A little snapshot. I definitely want to talk about your current book, too, but I'm just fascinated by your story.
[00:09:49] Kimberly: No, it's true. So in all truth, when I give that answer, a lot of times people aren't satisfied. My life from my earliest years has been so much about just the beloved. Faithfulness to that relationship, and when I took vows, I did not look back. I was so happy to be a Carmelite. I can't even tell you. It was my greatest joy as much as I was sad to not be in the lives of my family, the daily life.
It was so much at the heart of why I am here and who I am, so I never looked back, and I didn't actually have stirrings about leaving, so it wasn't a cognitive process, and it wasn't a presence of dissatisfaction. And both of those can oftentimes be signs that Spirit is leading us to a new step.
So I'm not discounting that as a way spirit works. What happened for me was instant illumination. And I didn't know what that illumination meant. I was building, you saw on the TEDx talk, I built a massive monastery, and was the spearhead for it. And I was a young woman. I had no idea in that process that things were changing within me, that was priming me for a next step that was traumatic, and that next step was leaving.
I had no idea. idea. That was going to happen. And when that illumination happened, everything changed for me. The way I was looking at the world, the way I felt about my place in the world, and I was in what we oftentimes experience as a very, we know everything in us is changing, so we have a certain stability, but we also have the instability of not really knowing where we belong
[00:11:38] Aneta: Yeah. Wow.
[00:11:40] Kimberly: All of that in our lives at these moments. It was like Elijah experiencing the whisper of God in the cave and being so certain, but not knowing what that whisper meant. And so, through a little bit of time, about five months later, it revealed itself to me, and it happened in a very dramatic way through a hawk and an inspired text.
And I realized that my next step with the beloved was to leave. So there wasn't a departure the way I saw it, even, and to make it really black and white, oh, you were a nu,n and now you're not a nun because. We are so wounded around these ideas of religion, and so they see it as black and white. And I'm like, but it really wasn't like that.
What it was like is that my beloved and I were holding hands, and we knew the next step was getting on this boat to cross an ocean. So it wasn't a departure from the essential call, even though change in the external environment.
[00:12:42] Aneta: Oh my God, it's fascinating. So tell us a little bit more about the TEDx and talk about the book. I think that also Miracles in the Naked Light. Was that during your time, while you were still in the monastery? When you were still in the monastic order?
[00:12:57] Kimberly: My building the monastery.
[00:12:59] Aneta: Yeah.
[00:13:00] Kimberly: Shaved head, full habit building. This monastery, the illumination happened when I was, I think, 29. I took solemn vows. There's a Vows for Life in North Dakota, and the second book that just came out. Miracles in the Naked Light. You can all see a picture, and it's on Audible as well. They recorded it in the studio with my voice, which I think is awesome. When the author reads their own.
[00:13:23] Aneta: Yes, I agree. I love that it's just such a deeper connection and especially for those listening who are going to listen to the book. Maybe after this, it just continues that thread of them hearing directly from you.
[00:13:36] Kimberly: Yes, absolutely. So I moved from my mother monastery to a community that came from North Dakota to start a new monastery in Texas. And they had been around for six years, and they were really small. It was four nuns, and they were older, and they really needed some young blood.
I was newly professed. It happened in a very miraculous way, which I won't get into the long story of that, but the short story was, it was clear I was meant to go. And so when I went, I had a lot of stirrings. I loved the variants of the lifestyle. It was very different. North Dakota was rich in ritual. It was well well-established monastery.
It was 20 nuns. The rituals were extensive and elaborate and all-consuming, and there was something that just took me into the womb of that experience. It was very powerful. Down in Texas, we were living in a converted house. We had a heavy workload. Monastic life takes a lot of inner work to make it run, and there were only five of us.
So we had a mitigated lifestyle that I would say was more zen-like. Things were pared down very simply, and there was something about that I loved as well. And in that environment, one aspect that was a little hard for me was that in this converted house, it was very small, and the doorbell rang a lot because we were so loved by the community, and the architecture wasn't in place.
That allowed there to be a separation of all the sounds. So, being in the throes of my vows and in this deep bliss, I just wanted silence. So what was great is that the building of the monastery happened as an answer of the beloved to my personally, for my longing for silence. And I think that's such a great example that even our places in our lives where we're dissatisfied, there's the niggling of spirit happening.
It may not be in the thing in the way we understand it, but if we explore it a bit more, we'll find that even there, the seeds of our desires are the seeds of our happiness. And so that launched me into an unexpected role of being the general contractor. And I had no idea that was going to happen. And the second book is about that.
So if you watch my TED Talk, you'll see that I just had a simple experience out in the wildflowers. No idea of the inner workings, it was like a little conspiracy of the heavenly realms. Little did I know I was going to be integral and anchoring for the entire project, and also discover within myself that I was capable of doing things I had no idea I could do. You can relate to that, right? Where you'll have an experience, and you'll give a big yes to it, but you have no idea what you said yes to.
[00:16:36] Aneta: Oh yeah. I mean, that's faith, right? How long did it take for the monastery to get built?
[00:16:44] Kimberly: Total miracle two and a half years, and that goes from inception to the donation of 640 acres we were given within a couple months of that time of my wildflower. Experience on land that had nothing. We had no septic, we had no power. We did have a well that reached the main aquifer down so that we wouldn't suffer drought in Texas.
And that's a miracle in and of itself. When I wrote the book, I began doing some research on the timeline, and there were lots of articles that came out because the project was so cherished in the area. And when I looked at the timeline, I was like, Oh my gosh. I thought it was three and a half years, which is a miracle. It was actually two and a half years.
[00:17:32] Aneta: In the TEDx, you talk a lot about people coming together and just these blessed. Things and miracles are happening all around you. Why do you think that is? Why do you think that this was such a beloved project and people were so generous and willing to give and to share?
[00:17:46] Kimberly: I think part of the essential nature of every human being is a desire to be caught up in an outpouring of goodness, in an expression of goodness, to feel themselves part of a current of something that is manifesting love and beauty. I think over and again, we see people come together in the face of beauty and tragedy to be instruments of goodness, and this in particular because we were beloved as a religious community, and the town was small.
I think there was a way that it became a unique point of focus. I also think that's why it hit all the deep doubts and suspicions whenever something comes into form. That's great. And if you look at the monastery, it's breathtaking. It's holy shi moly. This was built with. Tons of volunteers bigness to it. And I think when light shows up in a really big way, it shines a light not only on all that essential goodness at our core, but also on the places where there's woundedness to be healed. And so the monastery became a bit of an archetypal experience for all of that to come forward.
That's what I think it was. And there was probably a higher percentage of non-Catholics who participated as Catholics.
[00:19:18] Aneta: I love this idea of people recognizing that we're not separate and that we are pieces of the whole and wanting to come together under something that is beautiful and feels blessed. So, how amazing that you are able to be at the center of that experience. How did that experience change you?
[00:19:37] Kimberly: I found what was happening in the experience first, and I say this in a really grounded way because with my experiences of the beloved, I was really undone. There was a working within myself that was establishing me in wholeness. In that, then I was a safe place to experience my gifts without losing myself in the identity of those gifts. And I was amazed that my mind and my heart and my inner resourcedness were. So strong. I was doing shop drawings. I was managing upwards of 17 crews a day. I was doing the long view and the short view of a major project with no architectural training, no general contractor training, and no formal education around this, and I was doing it easily.
I was in awe. It was like I was witnessing these things happening through me. Secondarily, I was discovering that the project itself was a dramatic channel of healing for many involved, not all, but many. So just by saying yes to the project, people were experiencing very dramatic changes in their own lives, within themselves, internally and externally.
And I got to presence that, and I found within myself also the love of presencing that. Of witnessing that, and I think those two elements were working within me that contributed towards this next step that led me to leave. Again, it wasn't a cognitive knowing because I wouldn't have thought of leaving, but it was an inner fidelity to my own evolution that set me up for an encounter where I was no longer fit, where I was.
[00:21:39] Aneta: It's interesting, it makes me think of the parable of the talents, and it feels like maybe you were given these talents in that moment, and you knew that to multiply, you couldn't stay where you were. You had to expand and go beyond maybe the confines of where you were, even though it served you for so much of your adult life.
But who would've thought that coming from a monastic order to then being in charge of this huge project, as you said, with no experience doing these things that you were able to do it and to do it so well, and then bring all these other people along with you in the process, do you feel that was divinely orchestrated?
[00:22:17] Kimberly: Yes. Oh yes. Again, I was more of a recipient, even though I was much of an agent of the project. I felt like I was a recipient at all times. So yes, I was witnessing day in and day out. It's another reason there were multiple motives for writing. The second, this book, and then the book that comes after that, finish the story.
One of those reasons was that I'm the only memory keeper of all these amazing miracles. I'm the one who said yes to. And they deserve to be celebrated and recognized.
[00:22:54] Aneta: In your book, you talk a lot about miracles, so how do you define miracles?
[00:23:00] Kimberly: I know, I love that. These questions, because the definitions change. So there's a mystic and theologian that I don't ascribe to all of his theology, but some of it resonates with his name's Augustine, from the early Christian tradition, and he said, one time in his life, miracles are simply happenings in nature.
We have yet to understand a way that I'm still very Catholic in my mysticism is that I believe every moment is a sacrament. Every moment is a setup. For the actuality and the potentiality of this eternal source, this beloved, this divinity to come into form and miracles are that. Liminal space where we step into the unknown. We get to presence and participate in this consciousness coming into form.
And we find, I think, as we grow in recognizing that every moment is a miracle. Truly not as a platitude, not as an affirmation we cling onto, but as we embody it more and more, we find that. We're not surprised, but we are filled with wonder.
[00:24:17] Aneta: I love the word wonder too. I always think of little kids being in this like childlike wonder as they're experiencing the world. And for us as adults to be able to do that again with fresh eyes is so amazing. I like that definition by Augustin. It's almost like simplifying a very complicated concept.
[00:24:38] Kimberly: I'm glad you like it too, right? Yes.
[00:24:40] Aneta: Yeah. The other thing you talk about is grace.
[00:24:44] Kimberly: A work in progress for me. The notion of grace. In my introduction to this book, I mentioned that there were three foundational messages that are threaded within my experience. Obviously, when we read a book, we come to it as we are, so we're going to get the message of the spirit once for us.
So I'm not teaching something, but I am conveying my experience, and in my experience, through the building, the monastery, and my life at that point was a continual discovery of how everything is grace, and for me, it's a very difficult concept to give words to. Grace is an attempt to articulate the vibrational agency of the uncreated.
That there is an uncreated source that is coming into form and that movement, that actuality which is subtle, audible. That movement itself is grace. Existence itself is grace because existence happens as a flowing forward from that which is uncreated. So it can't happen without a certain agency to it.
Simultaneously, our participation in grace is the awakening to this reality. It's the awakening process, and grace is always happening, always. Now, I point out in my introduction that, for me that it's a tricky postulation to hold because it could lead to bypassing or repression, or denial of the things that are hard in life.
Real destruction and hurtfulness, betrayal, lying, deceitfulness, all sorts of things that happen. Oppression. What do you make of that? How do you say everything is grace and come to terms with these things that are in contrast? And what I've discovered is that the living into everything is grace that doesn't separate us from this, but brings us more intimately.
In a wordless way. And when we come really intimate in a wordless way, we experience how everything is held, everything is touched. And I think what speaks to it probably even better than me is if you haven't seen it, the movie, the Shaq, in that movie and in the book as well, but in the movie, you get a very mysterious. Encounter with a man who has lost his young daughter tragically.
[00:27:33] Aneta: Yeah.
[00:27:34] Kimberly: And he comes to terms with that suffering. And if you get really close to the experience of the trinity that he's having in the persons of the three individuals, they don't give him easy answers. But in that, he keeps wrestling with it. And in the wrestling, he begins to experience the wisdom of it. He can go through his own healing around it. I think that speaks to what I'm talking about when I am experiencing grace and when I postulate that everything is grace.
[00:28:09] Aneta: Yeah, it is a difficult concept, but when we experience it and feel it, it is so moving. And you know that it's real. It's just one of those things that it's hard to explain necessarily to someone unless you experience it yourself.
[00:28:25] Kimberly: I agree. And how do we share in that? I think the storytelling, and I love the method, but that doesn't really touch us so deeply as our stories do our stories.
[00:28:36] Aneta: Yeah. Our stories, because we forget that if you believe that there were real people. It's so much more impactful to think these were real people before us who have experienced these stories, and even to share our own personal stories. One of the other concepts you talk about is this idea of pulsing consciousness. What is that?
[00:28:56] Kimberly: These are great. You pulled some really wonderful work. Love this. That you resonate with some curiosity there? Yes. So, in my understanding, which falls in line with a school of tantric philosophy and theology coming from the 1200s, and in that is an understanding that consciousness is awareness, can be described as awareness, but it is pre-creation. It is the allness that we can't comprehend because we're part of creation, but consciousness chooses of its own free and independent will to pour itself out upon the canvas of creation that is itself. So pulsing consciousness to me is every creative element.
And in that, I consider it like a heartbeat if you conceptualize or open up your imagination to wonder with child-like likeness of every creative element, every aspect of creation is a heartbeat of an uncreated consciousness coming into form. Because the heartbeat is a bit like that.
Isn't that we can't quite hold onto its origin, and yet it's very real. It's happening, and you can't have life without a certain heartbeat. And that heartbeat shows up in different ways. We have this physical heart that has the electromagnetic pulsing that's happening, but if you extrapolate that idea, there is a way that everything has that kind of a pulse into life that's happening with an origin we can't quite reduce.
In creative terms, in scientific terms, we have become more and more descriptive of it as science grows and evolves. So that's how I would refer to it. Is it the form expression of consciousness?
[00:31:06] Aneta: It's almost like the breath also, right? The heartbeat, the breath. Those are two that I think of. I do breath work, so I'm very tied to the breath as well as an experience of the life force within us that is with us always while we are here and in these physical bodies. But the breath was pre-creation too.
It came to us at the moment that we inhabited these bodies, our consciousness inhabited these bodies.
[00:31:37] Kimberly: I love that. I agree. Really great.
[00:31:40] Aneta: Kimberly, I'm very curious for those that are listening, how did the TEDx come to be? And then how did you, or why did you decide to write your first book, and now your second book?
[00:31:51] Kimberly: Sure. These things are significant, and at the same time, for me, they've happened with such lightness. Almost, I think I'll go to that coffee shop today, like that's about how.
[00:32:06] Aneta: It was an aligned action. That's why it worked out the way it did.
[00:32:10] Kimberly: Somebody suggested me for the TEDx. Somebody referred me, and in that, I received an invitation. To audition. I didn't seek to audition, but I did need to audition, and when the invitation came, I felt that it was really a spirit, and I said, Yes, I auditioned, and I was offered a spot. The book, I always knew that I would be writing.
One of my main gifts is communication in words, and I lead retreats I give talks, and facilitate a lot of things. And while I can do hands-on healing and I have a variety of gifts, the biggest source of my being an instrument seems to be the word. Sitting down to a book, and it came about effortlessly in 2014.
I wrote my first 600-page manuscript in less than three months because the timing was right. This manuscript was 860 pages, and my publisher generously, a few of them, read it and re-read it to help me know where to break the book and what to include in this book. And there's a very subtle knowing that it's time, and also having the elements of my life line up, and if I may add to that, it doesn't always happen in ways that are consoling.
So for my first book, my business was beautiful, strong, and robust. And it lined up that I had four international women's groups that were my sources of income in addition to everything else I did. And what happened is my schedule opened up, and aside from those four groups, I didn't have to book anything else if I didn't want to.
So, in a consoling way, the stars aligned to give me space to wake up in the morning. I wrote most all the book in this one coffee shop. I'd get there when they'd open. I'd be there when they closed, and every three or four hours, I'd buy something because I didn't want to take up the table without giving them something.
So that is very consoling when that happens. This manuscript actually came about when my schedule was lightened up through loss. The lockdown changed my flow. I went from being booked out throughout the country to having nothing. I was working with the homeless to help them during a time of great need during the lockdown, and the time came for me to leave that position, and I literally stepped into the unknown, having no idea about anything.
Because I wasn't booked out anymore because the lockdown changed everything in my field and what I was doing. Many of the places that always booked me weren't booking anybody anymore. They disappeared, or they changed. So I had to step into the unknown with this manuscript, not having the same stability as the first book. So I give that story because. When things align for us to say yes to something in our lives, it doesn't always give us the kind of security we're looking for. Sometimes it does, and sometimes it doesn't.
[00:35:31] Aneta: That's so true. What were you doing before? What was your business doing before lockdown?
[00:35:37] Kimberly: I was traveling eight, nine months out of the year, people would bring me in to offer either keynote talks or the inspired message at spirituality centers, leading a few retreats throughout the year.
It was a quilt work. It had naturally emerged from when I started my company in 2006, but with my first book, I did a national book tour, and that resulted in me just being booked out because my reach just exponentially increased and sought.
So I had moved from seeking to being sought. And that was solid. And then, when the lockdown first happened, like many of us, people canceled, but they rebooked me because they're like This is going to last a month or two months.
[00:36:22] Aneta: Yeah. Little do we know.
[00:36:24] Kimberly: Totally.
[00:36:25] Aneta: Yeah, so your first book is called, I Want to Make Sure People Know Is Miracles in the Naked Light. And if people want to read this book, where is the best place that we can direct them?
[00:36:36] Kimberly: Absolutely. So the Miracles in the Naked Light is actually the second in a trilogy,
[00:36:42] Aneta: Oh.
[00:36:42] Kimberly: But the best way is going to my website, kimberlybraun.com. I actually have three books out. The first book is Love Calls. That was my book tour in 2015. And then I published an interim book of poetry, so Miracles in the Naked Light, that will give you the link through either Amazon, where you can click through to Audible, or you can buy the online, the Kindle version, or you can buy the physical book, but you can also buy it from my publisher.
There are all these different ways that you can choose to buy it. You can connect with me through my newsletter. You can attend a retreat. My website's the best way. Kimberlybraun.com and our podcast here will be on my website once it's published.
[00:37:27] Aneta: Perfect. We'll include all those links. And what is your next book? The Third and the trilogy called, and when will it be available?
[00:37:35] Kimberly: I am still at the service of this message. Being at the service of this will go through 2025
[00:37:41] Aneta: Okay,
[00:37:41] Kimberly: And the next book I would say 2026, early 2026.
[00:37:45] Aneta: Oh, that's wonderful. We definitely will include all the links so people can see how they could work with you. They could read your books and engage further. And I ask everyone a final question, which is tied to the title of the podcast. What does it mean to you to live the width of your life?
[00:38:02] Kimberly: I've been thinking and reflecting on this. It is a falling into and an awakening into the fullness of our being as the divine. And it is a moment-by-moment active surrender into the unknown of who we are, so that we can taste who we are. We become the embodiment. Our biggest call is to be the embodiment of this consciousness, to discover what it is, and it doesn't exclude who and what we are.
It catches up our personality. Catches up our mind. Catches our heart. Catches up our stories. This time in all lifetimes. And to live that with is the greatest adventure that we could embark upon and the greatest gift we could give ourselves.
[00:39:02] Aneta: I love that response. Kimberly, thank you for being such a bright light. In this world. Thank you for the amazing work that you are doing, and I'm just so grateful for our conversation today.
[00:39:12] Kimberly: I am so grateful as well. Thank you so much for having me.
[00:39:15] Aneta: Thank you for listening to today's episode. If today's conversation inspired you to dream again, break out of your comfort zones or reflect on what it means to you to live more fully, then please follow this podcast because every week you'll hear more stories from people just like you who took imperfect action towards their goals, created more joy and are living the life that they always dreamt of living.